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allLiving

06-08-2004, 10:56 PM Post subject: Quad Me SILLY!

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4th Flopped Quad this week. Man oh man!

***** Hand History for Game 660042078 *****
mamajodo has left the table.
0/0 TexasHTGameTable (NL) - Tue Jun 08 18:49:29 EDT 2004
Table Bluffers only (Real Money) -- Seat 4 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 1: wheet ( $36.55)
Seat 2: C0yote ( $23.75)
Seat 4: dgily ( $20.50)
Seat 5: OOJOOJ ( $16.25)
Seat 6: StinkStarr ( $29.75)
Seat 7: allLiving ( $20.70)
Seat 8: northgrace ( $21.50)
Seat 9: mantran82 ( $12.90)
Seat 10: chokingeagle ( $23)
OOJOOJ posts small blind (0.25)
StinkStarr posts big blind (0.50)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to allLiving [ 5d, 5c ]
allLiving raises (1) to 1
northgrace folds.
mantran82 calls (1)
chokingeagle folds.
wheet folds.
C0yote folds.
dgily calls (1)
OOJOOJ calls (0.75)
StinkStarr calls (0.50)
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 5s, 5h, 8c ]
OOJOOJ checks.
StinkStarr bets (5)
allLiving calls (5)
mantran82 folds.
dgily folds.
OOJOOJ folds.
** Dealing Turn ** : [ Tc ]
StinkStarr checks.
allLiving checks.
** Dealing River ** : [ 9c ]
StinkStarr bets (4)
allLiving raises (14.70) to 14.70
allLiving is all-In.
StinkStarr calls (10.70)
Creating Main Pot with $42.20 with allLiving
** Summary **
Main Pot: $42.20 | | Rake: $2.20
Board: [ 5s 5h 8c Tc 9c ]
wheet balance $36.55, didn't bet (folded)
C0yote balance $23.75, didn't bet (folded)
Maskedcav balance $25, sits out
dgily balance $19.50, lost $1 (folded)
OOJOOJ balance $15.25, lost $1 (folded)
StinkStarr balance $9.05, lost $20.70 [ 8s Kd ] [ two pairs, eights and fives -- Kd,8s,8c,5s,5h ]
allLiving balance $42.20, bet $20.70, collected $42.20, net +$21.50 [ 5d 5c ] [ four of a kind, fives -- Tc,5d,5c,5s,5h ]
northgrace balance $21.50, didn't bet (folded)
mantran82 balance $11.90, lost $1 (folded)
chokingeagle balance $23, didn't bet (folded)

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fishstick

06-08-2004, 11:25 PM

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i'm sorry - "flopped quad"?

i'm not familiar with that poker term.

Fnord

06-09-2004, 01:33 AM

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Enjoy the rush while it lasts. *braces for inevitable "#$%*^ I can't beat these fishes" post a month later*

Curious why you raised to 2x the BB from UTG with 55?

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allLiving

06-09-2004, 02:13 AM

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I usually beef up the pot with a small raise with small pocket pairs simply to have a nicer pot when I hit my trips. Sometimes when I hit trips on the flop with a low pocket pair, and there aren't any overcards, the other player will think I'm trying to buy my way out of a pot with high cards. About 12 times today I had gotten pocket pairs and NONE of them hit trips on the flop, so I think I was DUE for trips. This hand was my reward.

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Fnord

06-09-2004, 03:44 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by allLiving

I usually beef up the pot with a small raise with small pocket pairs simply to have a nicer pot when I hit my trips.

Quote:

Originally Posted by allLiving

Sometimes when I hit trips on the flop with a low pocket pair, and there aren't any overcards, the other player will think I'm trying to buy my way out of a pot with high cards.

It does add deception value. I also wonder if it makes weak players less likely to re-rasie.

Quote:

Originally Posted by allLiving

About 12 times today I had gotten pocket pairs and NONE of them hit trips on the flop, so I think I was DUE for trips. This hand was my reward.

I won't go there.

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allLiving

06-09-2004, 04:25 AM

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[quote="Fnord"]

Quote:

Originally Posted by allLiving

I usually beef up the pot with a small raise with small pocket pairs simply to have a nicer pot when I hit my trips.

If this argument holds, why not raise to 3-4x the BB?

Also, do you min-raise only when you open with small pocket pairs? If there is a single limper in front? Multiple limpers? If you can close the action from the BB?

I raise just enough to make the pot worth it incase everyone folds, but not too much so if I miss my trips I'm at a big loss. I raise from any position with low pocket pairs, and if I'm reraised really hard I'll consider folding.

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Toasty

06-09-2004, 07:57 AM

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Raiseing low pocket pairs only reduces your EV for when you flop trips, unless you are setting up for a Bluff on the flop.

Because you make trips so rarely you want to get in as cheap as poss and hope someone else made a nice hand to pay you off.

Of course calling a small raise with a PP is acceptable if your implied odds are there.

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Fnord

06-09-2004, 04:30 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by allLiving

if I'm reraised really hard I'll consider folding.

Also consider that by min-raising you're inducing a larger re-raise.

Toasty jumpped the gun to what I was getting to. This is overall costing you money...

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allLiving

06-09-2004, 05:51 PM

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Yea I believe you're correct now that I look at how many times I've raised and not hit trips. I'll keep that in mind.

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headhigh

06-09-2004, 06:14 PM

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And what was that guy thinking calling you with a pair of eights?

Also agree with limping in with baby pairs. IF you hit your trip on the flop, you want people to read you as weak. Based on your pre-flop, I would have put you on pairs tens or better, aq or ak. So I woulda folded my 8s when you bet on the river.

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06-09-2004, 06:25 PM

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Quote:

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Also agree with limping in with baby pairs. IF you hit your trip on the flop, you want people to read you as weak.

Limping with a pair looking for a set is pretty straight forward. I don't see a lot of deception value unless you're limping in with lots of crap.

Quote:

Originally Posted by headhigh

Based on your pre-flop, I would have put you on pairs tens or better, aq or ak. So I woulda folded my 8s when you bet on the river.

Lol, the only conclusion I've drawn from a min-raise with small blinds relative to stacks is "poor player." I don't see how it can ever be a good play unless the blinds are really big.

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heatman

06-09-2004, 09:50 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by headhigh

Also agree with limping in with baby pairs. IF you hit your trip on the flop, you want people to read you as weak. Based on your pre-flop, I would have put you on pairs tens or better, aq or ak. So I woulda folded my 8s when you bet on the river.

Especially under the gun I'd limp. You want as many people in that pot as you can get so that somebody catches a good second best hand when you hit. If you're late and have a bunch of callers, a small raise puts some more money in there to keep the overcards in after a bet, but raising early only drives weak hands out.

If you're going to raise early, do it to win now and make it bigger.

"Limit poker is a science, but no-limit is an art..."

evilevilmatt

06-10-2004, 03:36 PM

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I've stopped limping with fish under any conditions. If I like my cards enough to see a flop the fish are gonna pay if they wanna see it. So I can see raising in a situation like this.
I try to get a table image as a bluffer early on, I actually try to get caught. Then i switch to my normal tighter play. Then the fish pay to play against what they think is a marginal hands. Real easy to take their money when you have the nuts too.

Really only works in B&M or home games. Online it does work, goes to fast and some ppl may not catch the forced bluff. And on some sites i cant figure out how to show my cards when i fold em.

Now with more Evil and a side of Hatred

strangebird

06-10-2004, 07:57 PM

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I got quads today. And I got some action on them.

***** Hand History for Game 664334463 *****
20/40 TourneyTexasHTGameTable (Limit) (Tournament 4128425) - Thu Jun 10 14:07:28 EDT 2004
Table Three Table(17216) Table 1 (Real Money) -- Seat 10 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: vikenrql (1020)
Seat 2: deer_park (1285)
Seat 3: jman5j2323 (1080)
Seat 4: DIAMOND_X_4 (1025)
Seat 5: Sapp1 (1050)
Seat 6: salesmeister (615)
Seat 7: gajai (845)
Seat 8: AudiGWD (1430)
Seat 9: bodhissatva (660)
Seat 10: ninjaquick (990)
vikenrql posts small blind (10)
deer_park posts big blind (20)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to AudiGWD [ Ts, Kc ]
jman5j2323 calls (20)
DIAMOND_X_4 calls (20)
Sapp1 folds.
salesmeister folds.
gajai folds.
AudiGWD calls (20)
bodhissatva folds.
ninjaquick folds.
vikenrql calls (10)
deer_park raises (20) to 40
jman5j2323 raises (40) to 60
DIAMOND_X_4 folds.
AudiGWD calls (40)
vikenrql folds.
deer_park calls (20)
** Dealing Flop ** : [ Th, Td, 4s ]
deer_park checks.
jman5j2323 bets (20)
AudiGWD raises (40) to 40
deer_park calls (40)
jman5j2323 calls (20)
** Dealing Turn ** : [ Tc ]
deer_park checks.
jman5j2323 checks.
AudiGWD bets (40)
deer_park calls (40)
jman5j2323 raises (80) to 80
AudiGWD raises (80) to 120
deer_park folds.
jman5j2323 raises (80) to 160
AudiGWD calls (40)
** Dealing River ** : [ 6c ]
jman5j2323 bets (40)
AudiGWD raises (80) to 80
jman5j2323 calls (40)
** Summary **
Main Pot: 860
Board: [ Th Td 4s Tc 6c ]
vikenrql balance 1000, lost 20 (folded)
deer_park balance 1145, lost 140 (folded)
jman5j2323 balance 740, lost 340 [ Ks Kd ] [ a full house, Tens full of kings -- Ks,Kd,Th,Td,Tc ]
DIAMOND_X_4 balance 1005, lost 20 (folded)
Sapp1 balance 1050, didn't bet (folded)
salesmeister balance 615, didn't bet (folded)
gajai balance 845, didn't bet (folded)
AudiGWD balance 1950, bet 340, collected 860, net +520 [ Ts Kc ] [ four of a kind, tens -- Kc,Ts,Th,Td,Tc ]
bodhissatva balance 660, didn't bet (folded)
ninjaquick balance 990, didn't bet (folded)

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