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Old 04-25-2009, 08:30 PM     Post subject: QQ steal-call hits set vs good reg #1 (permalink)  
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 ok, villain here is tulegit21 - he's a nitty 12-7 with 3% 3-bet that grows to 10% from the BB vs steals. He has 10k hands on me.

He is also one of the bigger winners at 100nl and 200nl on Full Tilt - good ol' PTR has him as 2.5ptBB/100 over 400k at 100nl and 1.3 over 600k at 200nl.
We have had some 3/4-bet wars in the past, he probably thinks my 4-bet range is fairly wide and similar to my calling range here (he's thinking pairs/AT-AK here a lot).

Is this as standard as i think it is? he has an ace most of the time here so i've got no fear of another heart hitting, unless it kills my action. I don't think he will be willing to stack off vs aggression if i jam the turn.
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Button ($101)
SB ($181.10)
BB ($100)
UTG ($111.50)
MP1 ($73.65)
MP2 ($189.90)
Hero (CO) ($100)

Preflop: Hero is CO with Q, Q
3 folds, Hero bets $3.50, 2 folds, BB raises to $12, Hero calls $8.50

Flop: ($24.50) 9, Q, A (2 players)
BB bets $16, Hero calls $16

Turn: ($56.50) 4 (2 players)
BB bets $32, Hero calls $32

River: ($120.50) 6 (2 players)
BB bets $40 (All-In), Hero calls $40 (All-In)

Total pot: $200.50 | Rake: $3
don't raise with the straight flush bro, nobody ever gonna call that shit
allin, reload, repeat

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Old 04-25-2009, 08:39 PM #2 (permalink)  
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lolwatisthepointinthisthread?

Sometime I raise turn, sometime I play same. OMG HE HAD AA, I SHOULD HAVE FOLDED THE SECOND NUTS COZ HE IS A BIG WINNER
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Old 04-25-2009, 10:25 PM #3 (permalink)  
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lolwatisthepointinthisthread?

Sometime I raise turn, sometime I play same. OMG HE HAD AA, I SHOULD HAVE FOLDED THE SECOND NUTS COZ HE IS A BIG WINNER
i know you're not stupid...

ok, his range on the river is AA/AQ/A9/99 - i don't understand your point one bit. Of course I'm never folding only 100bb deep, I was wondering if anyone had any other comments on the line taken.
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Old 04-25-2009, 10:40 PM #4 (permalink)  
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lolwatisthepointinthisthread?

Sometime I raise turn, sometime I play same. OMG HE HAD AA, I SHOULD HAVE FOLDED THE SECOND NUTS COZ HE IS A BIG WINNER
i know you're not stupid...

ok, his range on the river is AA/AQ/A9/99/ - i don't understand your point one bit. Of course I'm never folding only 100bb deep, I was wondering if anyone had any other comments on the line taken.
I don't understand the post though, what other lines can u take that will maximise your EV vs his range. Let him spew with whatever, he isn't going to have many draws here as I doubt he 3bets a hand like KTs/JTs/JKs out of the blind much.

His range on the turn is like AQ/A9s/AK/AA/99/A4s and ur crushing that range. I doubt he bet TT/JJ/KK on this turn, even if he did - if you raise he's folding.

For sure you can raise somewhere if you want, flop, turn or just flat. But I think we just get him to fold alot that we beat esp on flop.

IDK if ur bluff raising A high flop in 3b pots IP, or whether you have history or whatever. But ur probably vvv unlikely to be bluff raising the flop here and I doubt you call KTs/JTs hand pre and woudl raise draws here too in a 3b pot... or you call pre and float with alot of hands IP in 3b ppots IDK, correct me if I'm wrong? So our flop raising range is like QQ/AQ/99 maybe only? So u can rarely raise flop.
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Old 04-26-2009, 03:45 PM #5 (permalink)  
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$0.25/$0.5 No Limit Holdem
8 players
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Stacks:
UTG ($50.75)
UTG+1 ($72.65)
MP1 ($12.50)
MP2 ($10.00)
Hero (CO) ($54.00)
BTN ($50.00)
SB ($53.30)
BB ($52.75)

Pre-flop: ($0.75, 8 players) Hero is CO
4 folds, Hero raises to $1.50, 1 fold, SB raises to $3.50, 1 fold, Hero calls $2

Flop: ($7.50, 2 players)
SB bets $6.50, Hero calls $6.50

Turn: ($20.50, 2 players)
SB bets $17, Hero calls $17

River: ($54.50, 2 players)
SB goes all-in $26.30, Hero calls $26.30

Final Pot: $107.10
Hero shows:
SB shows:

Hero wins $104.10 ( won +$50.80 )
SB lost -$53.30
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Old 04-27-2009, 05:04 AM #6 (permalink)  
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This is why position rocks, you can play like this and if he tries to pot control any street you can deny him that chance.
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turn call is so pointless, just jam
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Old 04-27-2009, 02:46 PM #8 (permalink)  
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turn call is so pointless, just jam
not necessarily, even if there is just $40 left
 
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Old 04-27-2009, 03:17 PM #9 (permalink)  
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i think by the time he bets the turn hes not going away whatever you do. Calling is probably slightly better for the 0.000000000000000001% of the time he has nothing but its going in whatever by then.
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Old 04-27-2009, 07:13 PM #10 (permalink)  
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turn call is so pointless, just jam
not necessarily, even if there is just $40 left
Explain? I think a real hand is not folding for $40 more but he may have a draw that will give up on the river if he misses, but of course call the shove on the turn. Calling just loses out on $40 the 70% of the time the draw misses. Not to mention, betting this amount with a draw on the turn, would be a good play by villain if he thinks hero is prone to nonsensical slowplays. The only way calling is better is if villain is bluffing with a hand that improves on the river, which isn't too likely on this board.
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He's never folding a draw to a turn shove because he has pot odds to call
but he's never bluffing $40 on the river
therefore you should always shove the turn, because he can fold river if he misses his draw
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Old 04-28-2009, 04:45 PM #12 (permalink)  
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 I've seen tightbad regulars bet/fold the turn with AK and its plausible that you'd call turn and fold river on this board
 
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Old 04-28-2009, 06:19 PM #13 (permalink)  
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What do you guys think about raising the flop?
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Old 04-28-2009, 07:00 PM #14 (permalink)  
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What do you guys think about raising the flop?
it sucks
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