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Borax

06-26-2006, 09:37 PM Post subject: QQ play against resistance?

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BB (£9.50 in chips)
UTG (£20.95 in chips)
UTG+1 (£37.37 in chips)
Hero (UTG+2) (£44.36 in chips)
MP1 (£20.92 in chips)
MP2 (£27.57 in chips)
MP3 (£55.83 in chips)
CO (£3.28 in chips)
Button (£10.60 in chips)

SB posts £0.15
BB posts £0.25
dealt to Hero :Qs::Qc:
UTG folds
UTG+1: calls £0.25
Hero: raises to £1.25
2 folds
MP3: calls £1.25
CO: calls £1.25
3 folds
UTG+1: calls £1
----- FLOP -----

UTG+1: bets £1.25
Hero: raises to £5
MP3: folds
CO: is all-in £2.03
UTG+1: calls £3.75
----- TURN -----

UTG+1: bets £4
Hero:

Do I raise again? Just call? fold because he must hold a set?

Read UTG+1: Vol put $ in pot= 36%, PRF raise = 0% (42 hands PT)
No read on CO

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Margin Of Error

06-26-2006, 10:19 PM

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easy fold for me. I dont like paying off sets/straight/flush draw with that board.

seems unlikely he would raise the turn with top pair good kicker.

i might push if i have a good read

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Borax

06-27-2006, 07:08 AM

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easy fold for me. I dont like paying off sets/straight/flush draw with that board.

seems unlikely he would raise the turn with top pair good kicker.

i might push if i have a good read

What about 55, 88, 99, TT or JJ? Couldn' these also be likely holdings, given his play? Is the read most important here? How should I reason from the board? What about the small stack being all in for part of the pot?

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06-27-2006, 07:23 PM

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easy fold for me. I dont like paying off sets/straight/flush draw with that board.

seems unlikely he would raise the turn with top pair good kicker.

i might push if i have a good read

This is why a read is important. Unless he is a complete donk there is no way hes gonna raise the turn that small without at least 2 pair. If I dont know the opponent is likely to underbet with marginal hands I would simply fold. Its very unlikely you are still ahead after the turn and paying to see a 2 out river is not +EV imo.

Borax

06-29-2006, 11:33 AM Post subject: Re: QQ play against resistance?

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Not much response on this hand. I was hoping for more opinions since QQ is difficult to play.
Anyway, the hand ended like this:

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Originally Posted by Borax

UTG+1: bets £1.25
Hero: raises to £5
MP3: folds
CO: is all-in £2.03
UTG+1: calls £3.75

----- TURN -----

UTG+1: bets £4

Hero: calls £4

----- RIVER -----

UTG+1: checks
Hero: checks

----- SHOW DOWN -----

UTG+1: shows :Jd::Jc: (Two Pairs, Jacks and Sixes)
Hero: shows :Qs::Qc: (Two Pairs, Queens and Sixes)
CO: mucks hand :Ah::Kc:

Hero collects £13.24 from Side pot #1
Hero collects £10.94 from Main pot
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bode

06-29-2006, 12:31 PM

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i thought this looked like a set line for sure. most likely hit his 99 on the turn. anyway, nicely played but i probly would have folded without a very good read.

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06-29-2006, 03:40 PM

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I like this line. Villain limp/calls so it's not AA/KK, and bet 4 into 13 on the turn...even without seeing results, that is definitely a call IMO. If he's aggressive post flop, he usually bets MORE with a set. Passives usually check/call a draw or check/raise a big hand, and you can fold if he pushes the river just in case since you have position. I don't really like a raise or a fold on the turn as a default reaction to that turn bet.

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06-29-2006, 05:36 PM

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Hmm, interesting responses. In the last few weeks, I posted a couple of similar hands-- overpair to a coordinated board, only this time I was the PFR'r and was getting raised. [I would've played it like you did, OP. Villain was hinting that he was going to give you a cheap SD and I'd be glad to oblige in that spot].

General responses were that I should've come over the top on them and that I played them too weak (people felt villains were on draws). I wouldn't say I had a read on either villains, but in general the tables/rooms where I was playing were full of nitty set hunters (especially the 2nd hand which was a PL table. I just felt like he minbet the flop to induce a raise from me so he could inflate the pot. I could be wrong and that he had 77-QQ but for him to 3bet that size after a minbet?!?). Hey, I'm a nitty sethunter and could see myself playing sets the way the villains here played them.

No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.15/$0.25
7 players
Converter

Hero $24.30
MP3 $19.80 [over 40 hands: 25%/15%/1.00]

Pre-flop: (7 players) Hero is MP2 with Q

1 fold,Hero raises to $1, MP3 calls $1, CO calls $1, 3 folds.

Flop: 5

($2.4, 3 players)
Hero bets $3, MP3 raises to $8, CO folds, Hero folds.

Results:
Final pot: $8.95

Hand 2:

Hand converter screwed this up some. I'm UTG+1.

Slider bar got stuck at $0.8 instead of full $1 (shitty PR software). I don't think it matters much in this hand.

115 hands on villain: 23%/10%/4.6

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Blinds: $0.25/$0.25
10 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $93.45
UTG+1: $24.00

UTG+2: $21.55
MP1: $9.50
MP2: $38.15
MP3: $22.25
CO: $14.45
Button: $21.00
SB: $25.70
BB: $26.60

Pre-flop: (10 players)
UTG folds, UTG+1 raises to $0.8, 7 folds, BB calls.

Flop: 5

($1.85, 2 players)
BB bets $0.25, UTG+1 raises to $1, BB raises to $4.85, UTG+1 folds.
Uncalled bets: $3.85 returned to BB.

Results:
Final pot: $3.85

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