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Old 07-01-2009, 12:50 PM     Post subject: QQ OTB vs nit. #1 (permalink)  
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Villain is 8/6 over 200 hands

$0.25/$0.5 No Limit Holdem
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UTG gantenbein29 ($54.75)
UTG+1 chacalx ($54.90)
MP1 Myagi83 ($52.70)
MP2 abrskil ($43.90)
MP3 Royal_Mat ($58.70)
CO Hero ($71.55)
BTN chorvima ($28.25)
SB Matt242 ($66.80)
BB sedmid ($25.00)

Pre-flop: ($0.75, 9 players) Hero is CO
2 folds, Myagi83 raises to $1.75, 2 folds, Hero calls $1.75, 3 folds

Flop: ($4.25, 2 players)
Myagi83 bets $3, Hero calls $3

Turn: ($10.25, 2 players)
Myagi83 bets $6, Hero calls $6

River: ($22.25, 2 players)
Myagi83 bets $14, Hero folds

Final Pot: $36.25

Myagi83 wins $35.20 ( won +$10.45 )
Hero lost -$10.75


Preflop, call is clearly superior to 3b since his range is already pretty narrow and he isn't going to continue with worse. I'm putting him on {66+, AK, AQ, KQ}

I'm thinking villain leads the flop here with his whole range. A raise is obviously bad since he folds all but the overpairs and sets, of which we beat very little. so I call again.

On the turn, vill leads again. The A here is a great card for vill to barrel. I think that in his spot I'm barreling this turn with my whole range.

we're beat by : {AK, AQ, 99, KK, AA} = 12 + 6 + 3 + 6 + 3 = 30 combos out of a total of 9*6 - 3 + 12 + 6 = 69
we're ahead of more than 50% of his range here.

I don't think he ever bluffs the river given his stats.

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Old 07-01-2009, 02:29 PM #2 (permalink)  
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 pretty standard. If he's decent you can shove the river sometimes
 
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Old 07-01-2009, 10:21 PM #3 (permalink)  
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I'd raise the turn and check behind on the river as opposed to the turn/river line you took. Anyone disagree?
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Old 07-01-2009, 10:58 PM #4 (permalink)  
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I'd raise the turn and check behind on the river as opposed to the turn/river line you took. Anyone disagree?
If you think he's bluffing and betting then why would you bluff back rather than getting him to keep bluffing?
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I'd raise the turn and check behind on the river as opposed to the turn/river line you took. Anyone disagree?
If you think he's bluffing and betting then why would you bluff back rather than getting him to keep bluffing?
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Old 07-01-2009, 11:51 PM #6 (permalink)  
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This hand is played very well imo. Raising the turn is horriawful.
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Old 07-02-2009, 01:10 AM #7 (permalink)  
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 wtf am I taking crazy pills, how is the turn ever a call vs. this guy
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Old 07-02-2009, 02:07 AM #8 (permalink)  
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wtf am I taking crazy pills, how is the turn ever a call vs. this guy
well I've seen some people continue with a flopped overpair on an overcard turn because they expect me to call them lighter (since they know I know it's a scarecard)

not sure if an 8/6 would do that
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 i'm not sure if an 8/6 playing 50nl knows how to tie his shoes let alone think about barreling a turn card
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yeah i'd def fold turn
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wtf am I taking crazy pills, how is the turn ever a call vs. this guy
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i'm not sure if an 8/6 playing 50nl knows how to tie his shoes let alone think about barreling a turn card
we'll never know
he never bought shoes because he didn't feel like wasting that money
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lol alright maybe I'm just a station, but just because he's an 8/6 doesn't mean he doesn't know how to play well in the pots he does open
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