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Old 07-23-2006, 10:49 PM     Post subject: QQ K on flop after re-raise. #1 (permalink)  
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Sorry no converter.

This was a dodgy hand. The turn call was actually a mis-click. But what should I have done?

Villain 1 is loose agressive, earlier re-raised with AJo. Villain 2 is loose but not as wild.

** Game ID 870150549 starting - 2006-07-23 23:21:29
** Angels [Hold 'em] (0.25|0.50 No Limit - Cash Game) Real Money

- UTG+2 sitting in seat 1 with $19.80
- UTG+3 (Villain 1) sitting in seat 2 with $33.60
- MP1 sitting in seat 3 with $11.90
- MP2 (Villain 2) sitting in seat 4 with $47.25
- CO sitting in seat 5 with $5.50
- BTN sitting in seat 6 with $32.40 [Dealer]
- SB sitting in seat 7 with $28.25
- BB sitting in seat 8 with $72.60
- Hero sitting in seat 9 with $42.50
- UTG+1 sitting in seat 10 with $60.65

** Dealing card to Anosmic: Q Q
Hero raised - $2.00, 2 folds, Villain 1 raised - $3.50
1 fold, Villain 2 called, 4 folds, Hero calls

** Dealing the flop: 2 8 K
Hero checked
Villain 1 checked
Villain 2 checked

** Dealing the turn: J
Hero checked
Villain 1 bet - $0.50
Villain 2 raised - $6.50
Hero called - $6.50
Villain 1 called - $6.50

** Dealing the river: 3
Hero checked
Villain 1 bet - $0.50
Villain 2 called - $0.50
Hero called - $0.50

Final Pot $30.65
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Old 07-23-2006, 11:54 PM #2 (permalink)  
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If their image of you is that you're a TAG, I lead into them on the flop for something around 7.50. I don't want to get into check/calling against both of these guys with the overcard on the board. Too easy to lose a really big pot with a hand that won't likely improve. If they call or play back, I'm done with it.

From the river action, it might have worked out for you unless villain 1 was trying to check-raise river.
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Old 07-23-2006, 11:56 PM #3 (permalink)  
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reraise preflop, lead the flop. as played fold the turn.
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Old 07-24-2006, 12:03 AM #4 (permalink)  
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reraise preflop, lead the flop. as played fold the turn.
leading the flop is bad here
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Old 07-24-2006, 12:05 AM #5 (permalink)  
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cocco, for the sake of learning, could you explain why?
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cocco, for the sake of learning, could you explain why?
Just very briefly. Your hand has some showdown value, you are out of position against two opponents who combined could very possibly have a king. Even if they don't have a king one of them could easily float the flop and you will be forced to fold to a turn bet. Betting this flop with AQ is better than betting with QQ. If I check the flop and both opponents check behind I'll usually lead the turn on a harmless card, this way you will often get calls by TT JJ and then be able to check down the river against such hands.
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so you would check the flop if its heads up and you reraised (which it will be most likely)?
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Old 07-24-2006, 01:04 AM #8 (permalink)  
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so you would check the flop if its heads up and you reraised (which it will be most likely)?
he didn't rereraise and the flop was not heads up. If you want to analyse a hand where its heads up then post such a hand.
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Old 07-24-2006, 01:46 AM #9 (permalink)  
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The weird thing was I was ahead until the river. Both were on QJo, one caught the runner-runner flush.
Made me feel better about the mis-click
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so you would check the flop if its heads up and you reraised (which it will be most likely)?
he didn't rereraise and the flop was not heads up. If you want to analyse a hand where its heads up then post such a hand.
i said to reraise pf and to lead the flop, i didnt just say lead the flop. don't just analyze half of my post without taking it all into account. and i agree with you that leading the flop is bad without reraising pf.
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cocco, for the sake of learning, could you explain why?
Just very briefly. Your hand has some showdown value, you are out of position against two opponents who combined could very possibly have a king. Even if they don't have a king one of them could easily float the flop and you will be forced to fold to a turn bet. Betting this flop with AQ is better than betting with QQ. If I check the flop and both opponents check behind I'll usually lead the turn on a harmless card, this way you will often get calls by TT JJ and then be able to check down the river against such hands.
Ahh....that makes sense, thanks for explaining it that way.
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