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Old 04-19-2005, 01:06 AM     Post subject: QQ Hand #1 (permalink)  
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$50 NL Hold'em - Monday, April 18, 21:01:08 EDT 2005
Table Table 36881 (Real Money)
Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: whsteger ( $51.7 )
Seat 2: krazyjim ( $49.15 )
Seat 3: TRUEXJR8DEI ( $44.75 )
Seat 4: capn_mike ( $38.76 )
Seat 5: Trix666 ( $44.55 )
Seat 6: YellowSnoMan ( $50 )
Seat 7: MarkSKI8787 ( $75.15 )
Seat 9: domedog ( $99.1 )
Seat 10: sejje ( $89.05 )
Seat 8: Broncsx3 ( $52.35 )
capn_mike posts small blind [$0.25].
Trix666 posts big blind [$0.5].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to sejje [ Qh Qs ]
YellowSnoMan raises [$2.5].
MarkSKI8787 folds.
Broncsx3 folds.
sejje calls [$2.5].
whsteger folds.
krazyjim folds.
TRUEXJR8DEI folds.
capn_mike folds.
Trix666 folds.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 2c, 5h, Jc ]
YellowSnoMan bets [$4].
sejje raises [$9].
YellowSnoMan raises [$16].
sejje folds.
YellowSnoMan does not show cards.
YellowSnoMan wins $33.6


No read...I figure he might have had AJ, but with the reraise on the flop I think he was ahead of my queens.

Anyone play different, push? How about preflop...I usually don't reraise queens, but I'm open to arguments advocating it.
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Old 04-19-2005, 01:30 AM #4 (permalink)  
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I called his preflop raise.

If I was the raiser, I'd have played it differently.
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Old 04-19-2005, 01:35 AM #5 (permalink)  
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I think you have to be able to make these kind of folds in ring games with deep stacks. Just the matter of making them at the right times against the right opponents.
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 so why didn't you reraise preflop?
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Old 04-19-2005, 02:13 AM #7 (permalink)  
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Originally Posted by Ripptyde
good lord man....SACK UP and punch it !!
Money is too deep to make it that simple.

This hand is all about reads. I think there is a strong case for just calling the flop if you don't want to play for stacks here. A line to consider is calling the flop and raising the turn. Consider a value bet on the river if he's really bad, but you're probably checking behind (if you don't fold to a re-raise.)
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Old 04-19-2005, 07:41 AM #8 (permalink)  
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I think I would have reraised him preflop with QQ. If I was in your situation on the flop I would do what you did unless I knew he was a lag. You have to figure he has AJ, KK, JJ, or AA. It's hard to imagine him reraising your reraise with a bluff unless he's a total maniac. Plus he raised pre-flop so its more likely that he has a high pair than AJ or KJ. If he has an underpair to the jack I don't see him reraising your reraise on the flop. I think you were beat and you made the right decision.
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Old 04-19-2005, 07:40 PM #9 (permalink)  
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 This hand exemplifies why I like tourneys better than cash games, because in spots like this in tourneys I would pretty much always move in on his bet and I think 75 % of the time you'd be ahead.

CG I'm giving this guy my whole stack while he laughs with his AA.

I like the way you played the hand.. basically you played for the set plus maybe you end up with an overpair, when you make an "I can beat TPTK" play he comes back over the top, you're hand is probably no good.
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Old 04-19-2005, 08:13 PM #10 (permalink)  
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Ya, this is a perfect example of why you reraise a highpocket pair preflop. You want to see if it turns into a pissing contest early so you can put him on something. You screwed yourself by just calling. Your advantage was a possible trap, but the disadvantage played against you this time.
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