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06-20-2005, 08:41 PM Post subject: QQ goes multi-way to the flop

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Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (10 handed) converter

Button ($23)
SB ($23.35)
BB ($26.8)
UTG ($5.5)
Hero ($24.75)
UTG+2 ($24.65)
MP1 ($17.4)
MP2 ($22.2)
MP3 ($47.35)
CO ($177.17)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with Q

, Q

. SB posts a blind of $0.1.
1 fold, Hero raises to $2, 1 fold, MP1 calls $2, MP2 calls $2, 1 fold, CO calls $2, Button calls $2, 2 folds.

Flop: ($10.35) 5

, 7

, J

(5 players)
Hero....

This one confused me somewhat, table is loose/passive, 2 of the callers here are tight/passive though. How much do you bet on the flop, and why?

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H Dogg

06-20-2005, 11:51 PM

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I lead out with 4-6 dollar bet right here. This lets the fish know you got something and still invites an AJ call. I dont think this is a hand you want to see the river with.

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EssWhyKay

06-22-2005, 05:54 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by H Dogg

I lead out with 4-6 dollar bet right here. This lets the fish know you got something and still invites an AJ call. I dont think this is a hand you want to see the river with.

Not enough. Betting $4 into a $10+ pot will just invite many people chase. Frequently in low limit online poker, bets like these set off a chain reaction of callers, leaving you in the dark about where you stand.

You also can't just randomly put a single person on AJ. You're more likely to receive calls from a plethora of drawing hands. This board is too draw heavy to bet less than half the pot. I'm betting $8 to protect my hand and discourage everybody from calling.

And nobody else thinks 8xBB is too much for a preflop raise?

I'm quite possibly the greatest no-limit player since the kid Ungar.

06-22-2005, 06:45 PM

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Here's what I did:

Flop: ($10.35) 5

, 7

, J

(5 players)
Hero bets $10, MP1 calls $10, MP2 calls $10, CO folds, Button folds.

Turn: ($40.35) 3

(3 players)
Hero calls $12.75 (All-In), MP1 calls $5.40 (All-In), MP2 calls $10.20 (All-In).

River: ($68.70) T

(3 players, 3 all-in)

Final Pot: $68.70

Results in white below:
Hero has Qs Qc (one pair, queens).
MP1 has Jc 8c (one pair, jacks).
MP2 has Kc As (high card, ace).
Outcome: Hero wins $68.69.

dsaxton

06-22-2005, 07:02 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by dwarfman

Here's what I did:

Flop: ($10.35) 5

, 7

, J

(5 players)
Hero bets $10, MP1 calls $10, MP2 calls $10, CO folds, Button folds.

Turn: ($40.35) 3

(3 players)
Hero calls $12.75 (All-In), MP1 calls $5.40 (All-In), MP2 calls $10.20 (All-In).

River: ($68.70) T

(3 players, 3 all-in)

Final Pot: $68.70

Results in white below:
Hero has Qs Qc (one pair, queens).
MP1 has Jc 8c (one pair, jacks).
MP2 has Kc As (high card, ace).
Outcome: Hero wins $68.69.

Those look like some tough opponents. I love players who can't fold a whiffed A-K.

CrunchyNuts

06-22-2005, 07:10 PM

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Who were the tight/passives? The guy with AK?

Zangief

06-22-2005, 07:35 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by EssWhyKay

And nobody else thinks 8xBB is too much for a preflop raise?

8xBB = $2 is just how it is done at PartyPoker NL$25. You get no respect for raising anything less than that ... and often very little respect even for that raise (as you can see here).

I would bet $8-$10. You probably have the best hand and you want to charge people for their draws. If someone has AA or KK or a set or 2 pair, you might have to go broke here.

06-22-2005, 09:51 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by EssWhyKay

And nobody else thinks 8xBB is too much for a preflop raise?

I agree with this, and this is the play I would always make (betting out the pot on the flop). But this particular hand made me wonder because if I did bet out on the flop I would get myself possibly over-commited to a hand that I had been outflopped on.

I guess my play worked out.

ChezJ

06-22-2005, 10:13 PM

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nice scoop, bro. question: how much would you have bet out on the turn if it had been a

06-22-2005, 10:21 PM

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nice scoop, bro. question: how much would you have bet out on the turn if it had been a

That's exactly why I was reluctant to bet the flop out pot sized. If the turn would've made the flush, it would've been VERY tough to call. I might have pushed anyway and prayed, I have $12 left and the pot is $40.

But it's so tight, this is exactly the reason I'm not sure about my play on this hand.

EssWhyKay

06-23-2005, 02:57 AM

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Alright, makes sense. I'm a Stars player. 4xBB works fine over there.

I'm quite possibly the greatest no-limit player since the kid Ungar.

Rondavu

06-23-2005, 03:18 PM

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Over at Pokerchamps 10/20 cent blinds is a $10NL table. $25NL has 25/50 cent blinds. Is it different at Party?

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Internal organs. And they're getting uglier by the minute.

Zangief

06-23-2005, 03:28 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Rondavu

Over at Pokerchamps 10/20 cent blinds is a $10NL table. $25NL has 25/50 cent blinds. Is it different at Party?

Yes, Party max stacks are 100 times the big blind. So NL$25 is $.10/$.25 blinds. They changed this several months ago - it used to be 50 times the big blind.

Zangief

06-23-2005, 03:36 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by dwarfman

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChezJ

nice scoop, bro. question: how much would you have bet out on the turn if it had been a

And what if someone (with a similar stack size) reraised you all-in on the flop?

I think all the money is going in on this hand no matter what. There's no way out of it.

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