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Old 12-06-2008, 10:14 PM     Post subject: qq in ep overpair vs river psb against aggro reg #1 (permalink)  
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villain is brtnboarder

bet turn? call river?

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Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q, Q
Hero raises to $4, 3 folds, Button calls $4, SB calls $3.50, 1 fold

Flop: ($13) 6, J, 7 (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $9, 1 fold, SB calls $9

Turn: ($31) 3 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks

River: ($31) 7 (2 players)
SB bets $29, Hero folds

Total pot: $31 | Rake: $1.50
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Old 12-06-2008, 10:48 PM #2 (permalink)  
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 im calling - id need some history or for the guy to know how i play here to muck.
This is a standard spot where hes likely to be bluffing 55 or 88 as much as anything good

Calling and mucking to a better hand here is not going to have much effect on your bbs/100 IMO
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Old 12-06-2008, 11:02 PM #3 (permalink)  
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 calling 100% of the time.

we check the turn because we want villain to do this.


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Old 12-06-2008, 11:16 PM #4 (permalink)  
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QQ is the only hand you can really have that can call this, so I would. I dunno how good brtn is though, if he's more brainless you can probably fold and assume he was going for a turn c/r with a monster.
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Old 12-06-2008, 11:39 PM #5 (permalink)  
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Is betting on the turn that bad ? As played, i'd call up to PSB for sure unless villain is a super passive nit like some meh regulars on stars.
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Old 12-07-2008, 06:16 AM #6 (permalink)  
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hmm well it's either he's bluffing, or he has a monster that he's trying to get value from my overpairs with.

sounds like everyone thinks his bluffing frequency will be high enough to warrant a call. Seemed close to me.

We have a lot of history but i'm not sure how to describe it... mostly i've been running real good against him and almost every hand for more than $25 seems to involve a nonstandard line from one or both of us. I'm not 100% sure how that affects this hand.
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Old 12-07-2008, 06:43 AM #7 (permalink)  
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 this is a very common line that i take - it's the best way to get two streets of value from villain. Excellent check on turn on turn vs a guy you have history with... shows a lot of weakness and turns our over pair into a bluff catcher.


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 huge bet on river screams "don't call kthx"

I'm calling
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Old 12-07-2008, 06:11 PM #9 (permalink)  
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 if you called river then nh
don't raise with the straight flush bro, nobody ever gonna call that shit
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Aren't you forced to call the river because you checked the turn? Couldn't he play AJ/TT this way?
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a) who calls AJ in the blinds vs an EP raise?
b) TT can be played this way but he's turning his hand into a bluff on the river. The only hands he's doing this for value with are sets, KK, AA, maybe 76/87 if he's into playing those OOP.


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Old 12-07-2008, 07:48 PM #12 (permalink)  
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meh fold still isn't horrible because there's not actually much in his range that he can turn into a bluff.
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98 I guess. I would always stack off with QQ here cuz I suck.
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 dont fold the top of your range and you will make money imo
 
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 OP, your user name should be changed to: TwoStreets

Use it as a guideline from now on when trying to get value from over pairs.


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Old 12-08-2008, 10:23 AM #17 (permalink)  
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I call river because I checked turn so he'd bluff me on the river
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Old 03-29-2009, 10:30 AM #18 (permalink)  
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