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Old 02-15-2006, 05:52 PM     Post subject: QQ - Call a 2nd All-in? #1 (permalink)  
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Read on MP2 opponent is avg. player, working toward Laggy. 30% V$IP. Raises pre-flop approx. half of his hands. CO could push anything being this SS.

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MP2 ($15.60)
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Button ($30.25)
SB ($8.55)
Hero ($45.75)
UTG ($23.50)
UTG+1 ($4.50)
MP1 ($36.10)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q, Q.
3 folds, MP2 calls $0.25, CO raises to $2, 2 folds, Hero calls $1.75, MP2 calls $1.75.
Should I re-raise here to isolate the SS All-in?

Flop: ($6.10) 9, 7, J (3 players)
Hero bets $4, MP2 raises to $13.6, Hero calls $9.60.
Do you call this?

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Old 02-15-2006, 06:01 PM #2 (permalink)  
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Old 02-15-2006, 07:52 PM #3 (permalink)  
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1. Don't re-raise preflop, you are giving your hand away and you are taking QQ 3 way which is not horrible.

2. Call the AI bet on the flop. Short stack could make that move with AJ, Axc, any club flush draw, or based on that flop there are OESD possibilities to semi-bluff. I think you are ahead more often than not. Preferably he's on something like AJ. Worst case he flopped a set of 9's or J's.
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 More important than giving information away to your opponents - is gathering information on your opponents, because after all, we are better than them.

Re-raise preflop, if villain folds - you win. If villain calls - you are leading (or villain is slowplaying, which is not common). If villain re-raises, consider folding preflop.


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Its close between the reraise of flat call preflop. If the standard raise at the table is about $1 then I probably don't reraise but if its around $2 then I probably do.

I always find that people tend to overvalue hands when there is a player all in. You gotta call because he's SS too.
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Old 02-16-2006, 01:11 PM #7 (permalink)  
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Avg pre-flop raise was the standard $1.00 or 4x. I felt the MP2 would fold to $1.75 raise even with 2 to 1 on his money. Don't know why, but I just didn't see him calling that. Possibly I got greedy and wanted to win more than just $2.00 with my QQ.
Would you re-raise to create a side pot to fight over or welcome the additional action by flat-calling?
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Old 02-16-2006, 01:21 PM #8 (permalink)  
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i like a re raise on the flop to know the strength of my opp's hand.
easy call tho from villians stats.
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Old 02-16-2006, 04:47 PM #9 (permalink)  
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Re-raise is no good here unless you have a spot on read that CO is looooose and bad player.

One player is AI for a measly $2 if he calls which cant hurt you and you have CO well covered.

Raiser is in CO with means his range of hands is presumably bigger than normal which in turn means you QQ is well ahead. Let's assume you re-raise to $4 and CO pushes. Now are you prepared to call? If yes, then re-raise. IMO the far better option is to take a flop and see if any overcards come. What if A hits the flop? Are you going to bluff/c-bet out of position at the CO?
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Old 02-16-2006, 08:39 PM #10 (permalink)  
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The CO was all-in pre-flop. If I replace your "CO" with "MP2" it makes more sense, but still.
I am willing to push to a re-raise all-in from MP2. If he has AA or KK and no overcards flop, I am going to call his push anyway. I would re-raise here to knock out the crap hands i.e. 22-99, AQ-AJ & suited connectors. Although, I don't think suited connectors call the $1.75 raise in MP2 anyway.
Is it worth raising only to eliminate 22-99 and AQ-AJ? Or would you take a flop and evaluate. QQ likely isn't getting any stronger after a flop . . .
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Old 02-17-2006, 02:43 PM #11 (permalink)  
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HH says CO has balance of $2 MP2 has balance of $15.00.

Therefore you are really only playing against MP2 for a real pot and you have him well covered. If you re-raise you are trying to shake MP2 who has the $$$ to be won. I think re-raising to get MP2 out of hand is a mistake here.

MP2 just called preflop so AA, AK and KK are remote possibilities. You want to bring him along because your QQ is a 4-1 favorite against 22-JJ no sense in shaking him. I assume from your post he did sneak in there with 99, 77 or JJ and you called and lost but it was not a mistake.

Even if you had re-raised he might take a flyer with implied odds and call preflop with a medium pair.
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