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Old 02-01-2006, 02:09 AM     Post subject: QQ all in preflop to suspected squeeeeeze #1 (permalink)  
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UTG is 42/5.2 and UTG+1 isn't a spewer either. What do you think?

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MP3 ($69)
CO ($59.55)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q, Q. Hero posts a blind of $0.50.
UTG calls $1, UTG+1 raises to $4, MP1 calls $4, 3 folds, Button calls $4, Hero (poster) calls $3.50, 1 fold, UTG raises to $20, UTG+1 calls $16, MP1 folds, Button folds, Hero calls $145.15 (All-In), UTG calls $80.30 (All-In), UTG+1 folds.

Flop: ($278.45) 9, 6, 3 (2 players, 2 all-in)

Turn: ($278.45) T (2 players, 2 all-in)

River: ($278.45) 6 (2 players, 2 all-in)

Final Pot: $278.45
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Old 02-01-2006, 02:19 AM #2 (permalink)  
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 I'm not thinking squeeze. I'd fold he limp raised from UTG, to me that means AA/KK.
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Old 02-01-2006, 05:35 AM #3 (permalink)  
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Yeah, fold that sh*t to the limp reraise. From what I read on 2+2, I think around higher stakes such as 400NL and up you can start to suspect a squeeze here, but at 100NL I think this is AA/KK almost everytime. Definitely reraise this preflop though. Isolate the field, establish control, and if UTG comes over the top of your raise, easiest fold of you life. Have you seen UTG pull any big moves?

Edit: With UTG+1's call of the $16, I think calling is the correct play here, although the implied odds might make it a close decision...
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Old 02-01-2006, 06:55 PM #4 (permalink)  
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Wow I wonder what UTG+1 had. AK or JJ maybe?
 
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Old 02-01-2006, 10:25 PM #5 (permalink)  
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He claimed he would have made top set with TT, UTG had KJo.
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Old 02-01-2006, 10:41 PM #6 (permalink)  
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so long as the stacks are deep i make this call. i was in the same spot yesterday with nines vs AA and called a large reraise threeway, knowing i needed to improve. implied odds if you hit your 7:1.
'If you think a weakness can be turned into a strength, I hate to tell you this, but that's another weakness. '
 
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Old 02-01-2006, 10:47 PM #7 (permalink)  
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He claimed he would have made top set with TT, UTG had KJo.
Glad it worked out for you, but without a read I absolutely hate your line.
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Old 02-02-2006, 04:04 PM #8 (permalink)  
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so long as the stacks are deep i make this call. i was in the same spot yesterday with nines vs AA and called a large reraise threeway, knowing i needed to improve. implied odds if you hit your 7:1.
what implied odds? it was AI preflop.
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Old 02-02-2006, 04:56 PM #9 (permalink)  
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it was more of a general statement, that really didnt apply here. my bad.
'If you think a weakness can be turned into a strength, I hate to tell you this, but that's another weakness. '
 
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Old 02-02-2006, 05:23 PM #10 (permalink)  
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Hero (poster) calls $3.50
Hero's first error OOP.

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Hero calls $145.15 (All-In
Hero's second error to a limp reraise.

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Old 02-02-2006, 08:45 PM #11 (permalink)  
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Hero (poster) calls $3.50
Hero's first error OOP.
I like to bet flops and not create a huge pot OOP w/QQ

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Hero calls $145.15 (All-In
Proof of this.

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Glad it worked out for you, but without a read I absolutely hate your line.
After posting this at 2+2 I think it's a very good line after not already 3betting preflop. To be honest I think I should be more worried about the TAGgish player just calling than the limp/reraise by the donk. If I could play this same scenerio out all day long I bet that it would be very +ev at the $100.

You got me thinking about the way I think about QQ and I think I have been going about it all wrong. If the pot is likely going to be HU then I 3bet but if it looks like it's going to be multiway I only call and that thinking seems to be backwards . I didn't realize I did it until this thread made me look at my QQ hands from the blinds. 2 examples...

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MP1 ($286.25)
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MP3 ($95)
CO ($63.20)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q, Q. SB posts a blind of $1.
UTG calls $2, 1 fold, MP1 calls $2, 1 fold, MP3 calls $2, CO raises to $8, 1 fold, SB (poster) calls $7, Hero calls $6, UTG calls $6, MP1 calls $6, MP3 folds.

Flop: ($42) 6, T, 3 (5 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $25, UTG folds, MP1 folds, CO folds, SB calls $60.11 (All-In), Hero calls $35.11.

Turn: ($162.22) 9 (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($162.22) 3 (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $162.22

Results in white below:
SB has Qd Ts (two pair, tens and threes).
Hero has Qh Qc (two pair, queens and threes).
Outcome: Hero wins $162.22.

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BB ($285.20)
UTG ($187)
UTG+1 ($97.95)
MP1 ($53.25)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q, Q. Hero posts a blind of $1.
5 folds, CO raises to $6, 1 fold, Hero (poster) raises to $17, 1 fold, CO calls $12.

Flop: ($38) J, 5, 7 (2 players)
Hero bets $35, CO calls $35.

Turn: ($108) K (2 players)
Hero calls $145 (All-In), CO calls $50.65 (All-In).

River: ($303.65) A (2 players, 2 all-in)

Final Pot: $303.65

Results in white below:
CO has Jh Ah (two pair, aces and jacks).
Hero has Qc Qh (one pair, queens).
Outcome: CO wins $209.30. Hero wins $94.35.

Is my thinking totally backwards ?
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Old 02-03-2006, 01:28 PM #12 (permalink)  
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 QQ and all big pps play well HU, they dont play so well multihanded, unless you have caught a fish.
Plus, OOP facing a reraise on a raggedy flop with QQ is asking for trouble. How many times will you be facing a set or an aggro who cant put you on QQ so is going to push you around.
QQ/KK/AA goes to HU. That way you can put opp on a limited number of cards.
So in the first hand you originally posted the pot is $12~ when it gets to you OOP with QQ. I make it $30 knowing only TT+ can really call. Yes you may get no action but that pot already has way too much action for QQ imo.
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A limp reraise is a great way to make people who overrate hands, call when they are far behind. I learnt this when i started making errors in ring with QQ against KK/AA. Therefore an UTG limper who then reraises in that pot you describe has to be given credit for a good play in the situation or AA/KK. Imo you go bust far too often making the play you made on that hand with QQ once UTG limp reraises. Its a classic way to get players to chip dump into AA/KK. The play gets so little respect.
Probably, you got away with pushing here as UTG is a donk. In many more situations i think you'll get into trouble.
So isolate with QQ, even if that means just pumping in half your stack preflop to win an overactive pot.
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