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taipan168
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04-12-2007, 11:05 AM
Post subject: QQ to AI 5-bet (25NL)
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Opp's HUD stats were 25/9/4.0 over 90 hands. Is this weak/tight?
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)
MP1 ($23.55)
MP2 ($35.45)
MP3 ($12.75)
CO ($27.45)
Button ($25.25)
SB ($26.55)
BB ($25.30)
UTG ($18.50)
Hero ($23.60)
Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with Q , Q .
1 fold, Hero raises to $1, 6 folds, BB raises to $2.25, Hero raises to $6, BB raises to $25.55, Hero folds.
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minSim
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As played, fold.
I'd call villains RR and reevaluate on the flop. You have position.
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litetruck
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agreed, his 2nd RR is 99% AA-KK
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JJDAMAN
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Yup, relatively easy fold. I agree with this:
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Originally Posted by litetruck
agreed, his 2nd RR is 99% AA-KK
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With the nearly min-raise and postition, I call and hope to spike a set, probably folding unless you have good postflop reads on him. When you hit, you'll stack him everytime.
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bigspenda73
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Why would you ever 4bet a guy with those stats?
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Miffed22001
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100% KK/AA. id probably call reraise in this game and lead any non-A/K flop folding if raised and thinking hard about how to play turn.
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Ash256
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Originally Posted by Miffed22001
100% KK/AA. id probably call reraise in this game and lead any non-A/K flop folding if raised and thinking hard about how to play turn.
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Nice in theory, but how do we go about making real bets that aren't just autoraised by our opponents without pot-fucking ourselves? (e.g. accidentally handing ourselves 4:1 to his push on the turn)
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Miffed22001
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Originally Posted by Ash256
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Originally Posted by Miffed22001
100% KK/AA. id probably call reraise in this game and lead any non-A/K flop folding if raised and thinking hard about how to play turn.
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Nice in theory, but how do we go about making real bets that aren't just autoraised by our opponents without pot-fucking ourselves? (e.g. accidentally handing ourselves 4:1 to his push on the turn) |
we dont call, just because you have pot odds doesnt mean you have to call. We're trying to lose the least and win the most (with losing the least being the key here)
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taipan168
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Originally Posted by bigspenda73
Why would you ever 4bet a guy with those stats?
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I didn't think that 25/9 was particularly tight. If his stats had been 6/2 or something that's entirely different.
Maybe this is too much SNG thinking, but the reason I 4-bet him was really to flush out whether he has AA or KK. If he flat calls there's a very good chance he has something like AK or JJ- and I can feel more confident on an undercards flop. If I flat call his 3-bet and the flop comes all unders and he checks I'm using the same $4-5 on the flop anyway. Is this wrong?
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bigspenda73
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when someone with a PFR of 9 3bets his range is ridiculously small. Thats said you crush JJ, flip with AK and are crused by AA/KK. His range is so tight we can now just play QQ for set value and probably just c/c a non A/K flop and c/f a decent sized turn bet.
This is a tougher spot methinks, villian is 44/15 over 50 hands. Converter screwed it up a bit. I'm wondering if a fold here is ever correct.
Ultimate Bet No-Limit Hold'em, $.25 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)
Button ($10.65)
SB ($26.60)
Hero ($41.57)
UTG ($33.88)
MP ($18.87)
CO ($24.15)
Preflop: Hero is BB with K , K.
UTG raises to $0.85, 3 folds, SB raises to $1.45, Hero raises to $6.25, UTG folds, SB raises all-in, Hero says %$#%#%%#%
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JJDAMAN
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If that's why you 4 bet, than it's good reasoning, still not necessarily the best play though. If that is why you 4 bet (to find out where you're at), than it should be an easy fold right?
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Originally Posted by bigspenda73
when someone with a PFR of 9 3bets his range is ridiculously small. Thats said you crush JJ, flip with AK and are crused by AA/KK. His range is so tight we can now just play QQ for set value and probably just c/c a non A/K flop and c/f a decent sized turn bet.
This is a tougher spot methinks, villian is 44/15 over 50 hands. Converter screwed it up a bit. I'm wondering if a fold here is ever correct.
Ultimate Bet No-Limit Hold'em, $.25 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)
Button ($10.65)
SB ($26.60)
Hero ($41.57)
UTG ($33.88)
MP ($18.87)
CO ($24.15)
Preflop: Hero is BB with K , K .
UTG raises to $0.85, 3 folds, SB raises to $1.45, Hero raises to $6.25, UTG folds, SB raises all-in, Hero says %$#%#%%#% |
Easy call with those stats.
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Miffed22001
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folding KK preflop for 100bbs is correct 0.5% of the time, and probably not even that at anything below 200nl.
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bigspenda73
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Originally Posted by WildBobAA
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Originally Posted by bigspenda73
when someone with a PFR of 9 3bets his range is ridiculously small. Thats said you crush JJ, flip with AK and are crused by AA/KK. His range is so tight we can now just play QQ for set value and probably just c/c a non A/K flop and c/f a decent sized turn bet.
This is a tougher spot methinks, villian is 44/15 over 50 hands. Converter screwed it up a bit. I'm wondering if a fold here is ever correct.
Ultimate Bet No-Limit Hold'em, $.25 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)
Button ($10.65)
SB ($26.60)
Hero ($41.57)
UTG ($33.88)
MP ($18.87)
CO ($24.15)
Preflop: Hero is BB with K , K .
UTG raises to $0.85, 3 folds, SB raises to $1.45, Hero raises to $6.25, UTG folds, SB raises all-in, Hero says %$#%#%%#% |
Easy call with those stats. |
Yea, I know I called and you know what he flipped over. Funny thing was the same situation had happened like 30 minutes earlier with a different opp with similar stats holding 55 (wtf I know).
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taipan168
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Originally Posted by bigspenda73
when someone with a PFR of 9 3bets his range is ridiculously small. Thats said you crush JJ, flip with AK and are crused by AA/KK. His range is so tight we can now just play QQ for set value and probably just c/c a non A/K flop and c/f a decent sized turn bet.
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Good explanation, thanks a lot, very helpful. Gee I have a lot to learn about cash games 
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