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Old 10-22-2008, 09:11 PM     Post subject: QQ 200bb deep #1 (permalink)  
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Villain is unknown but playing 64/44 over the few hands he was at the table. Won most of his stack w/a set vs top pair so don't know much about him. I didn't raise because I was so far ahead of his range I didn't want him to fold any worse hand. Although looking at it, I think I should have maybe raised the turn. Anyway, call river for 160 more bb's?

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UTG+1 ($50)
MP1 ($24.90)
MP2 ($15.20)
MP3 ($119.60)
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Preflop: Hero is Button with Q, Q
4 folds, MP3 raises to $2, 1 fold, Hero calls $2, 2 folds

Flop: ($4.75) 7, 8, 2 (2 players)
MP3 bets $8, Hero calls $8

Turn: ($20.75) 2 (2 players)
MP3 bets $2.50, Hero calls $2.50

River: ($25.75) 8 (2 players)
MP3 bets $107.10 (All-In), Hero?
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Old 10-22-2008, 09:13 PM #2 (permalink)  
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 def 3bet this clownface PF

I'd raise the turn fo sho
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Old 10-22-2008, 09:21 PM #3 (permalink)  
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Raise pre-flop, loose/passives don't usually raise/fold and will call you with a very wide range.

As played... raise the flop, and for pete's sake bump the turn. It makes no sense to say you didn't want him to fold any worse hands, especially when he's betting $2.50 into $20.75 its not as if you are letting him valuetown himself there. On the flop you can raise and certainly even get all the money in with a whole heap of worse hands against this type of opponent and same with the turn.

And now the river has put you in kind of a crazy spot, which would be a snap decision if the pot were bigger. I still probably call because he is bad and could be doing this with any kind of pocket pair or something... he'll show up with an 8 or 2 some of the time though.
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Old 10-22-2008, 09:32 PM #4 (permalink)  
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Old 10-22-2008, 10:54 PM #5 (permalink)  
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If you're not gonna raise pf, shouldn't you at least raise the turn? As played, I'm not happy about either river option, but I prob fold.
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 I agree and 3b preflop given dudes loose nature. And since he bet the turn so small I'm definately raising. However, I'm wondering what the advice would be if he PSB turn or overbets again? Shove it in expecting to be ahead most of the time, or call and get it in on the river?
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omg raise preflop.

like...seriously, I can't see how you can even consider anything other than raise there.
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omg raise preflop.

like...seriously, I can't see how you can even consider anything other than raise there.
Basically, I just thought someone opening 44% of hands is very likely to be folding to a 3bet. And I thought even if he calls a 3 bet it going to go check/fold on the flop most of the time. So I thought I could get more money by letting him be the aggressor and just playing a strong hand weakly in position. But then that puts me in tougher spots sometimes...

But ya I really should've raised the turn, don't know what I was thinking there.
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Old 10-23-2008, 12:12 AM #9 (permalink)  
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you really made your life very difficult in this hand without showing your strength in the middle.. As played, i hate my life and muck QQ on the river given such bad pot odds. Catching these bluffs is way too expensive IMO and will affect your winning rate in the long run .
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omg raise preflop.

like...seriously, I can't see how you can even consider anything other than raise there.
Basically, I just thought someone opening 44% of hands is very likely to be folding to a 3bet. And I thought even if he calls a 3 bet it going to go check/fold on the flop most of the time. So I thought I could get more money by letting him be the aggressor and just playing a strong hand weakly in position. But then that puts me in tougher spots sometimes...

But ya I really should've raised the turn, don't know what I was thinking there.
Ok, now I'm thinking about it, is this logic totally backwards? Should I be 3 betting this vs these types of loose players and flatting vs. the tighter players?
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 thinking a 66/44 is going to fold to a 3bet is funny
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thinking a 66/44 is going to fold to a 3bet is funny
He said over the few hands at the table. If that's one orbit it's not much to go on.....Haven't you had an orbit where you get dealt great cards and raise 4 out of 9 hands?

At any rate, for the love of God 3bet PF and raise the fricking turn.

Otherwise, don't bitch about the river.

Flatting PF is very player dependant. Against a relative unknown I wouldn't take the chance.
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thinking a 66/44 is going to fold to a 3bet is funny
He said over the few hands at the table. If that's one orbit it's not much to go on.....Haven't you had an orbit where you get dealt great cards and raise 4 out of 9 hands?

At any rate, for the love of God 3bet PF and raise the fricking turn.

Otherwise, don't bitch about the river.

Flatting PF is very player dependant. Against a relative unknown I wouldn't take the chance.
Right, I had him for 20 hands total and this was not the last hand at the table. But I'm not bitching about the river, its a fine river most of the time really, almost any card on the river with the same bet would have been a difficult spot for me. But yes I get the point from everyone that if I had played it more aggressively before I got to the river it wouldn't have been such a difficult spot, so thanks to everyone!
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thinking a 66/44 is going to fold to a 3bet is funny
He said over the few hands at the table. If that's one orbit it's not much to go on.....Haven't you had an orbit where you get dealt great cards and raise 4 out of 9 hands?

At any rate, for the love of God 3bet PF and raise the fricking turn.

Otherwise, don't bitch about the river.

Flatting PF is very player dependant. Against a relative unknown I wouldn't take the chance.
Right, I had him for 20 hands total and this was not the last hand at the table. But I'm not bitching about the river, its a fine river most of the time really, almost any card on the river with the same bet would have been a difficult spot for me. But yes I get the point from everyone that if I had played it more aggressively before I got to the river it wouldn't have been such a difficult spot, so thanks to everyone!
if I were you I'm a fish but I'd 3bet pre cause against a guy with those stats you want to get most of the money in when your way ahead of his range wich is preflop.
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def 3bet this clownface PF

I'd raise the turn fo sho
and snap fold the river cos his A8 got there.
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