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Warpe
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04-14-2008, 05:29 PM
Post subject: QQ with an A
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.50/1.00 FR on FTP, Hero is dealt QQ UTG no diamonds and opens for $3.50. MP1 calls, SB calls (unknown but seems a little loose-passive, straightforward ).
Flop is Ad2xTd, checked around.
Turn is 4d, SB bets $7, Hero calls, MP1 folds.
River is 5x, SB bets $17, Hero calls.
SB said: lmao
SB said: wtf?
Thoughts?
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jimmy44
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I think on river you have to fold, too many hands are beating you against a straightforward player.
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martindcx1e
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def fold river. he can easily have an ace or better.
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Warpe
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you really think it's that thin?
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Is he value betting worse?
Is a loose passive bluffing much on the turn into two opps?
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I coud see a loose passive player thinking his 7's, 8's or 9's are good after the flop got checked around and value betting those hands on both streets.
I also think a hand like KdQx could play like this.
With that said I also think that are quite a few more hands that are ahead of you here. IMO this is pretty close between a call and a fold, but I still consider myself a SNG donk at this point.
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I think this range is pretty close:
159 games 0.032 secs 4,968 games/sec
Board: Ad Td 2c 4d 5h
Dead:
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 56.289% 55.97% 00.31% 89 0.50 { QhQs }
Hand 1: 43.711% 43.40% 00.31% 69 0.50 { 22+, ATs+, KTs+, QTs+, JTs, ATo+, KTo+, QTo+, JTo }
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daven
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you don't c-bet these boards?
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Originally Posted by daven
you don't c-bet these boards?
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Turn is probably a fold as he's certainly got outs if he's behind and you still have a player behind you.
This really comes down to how spewy he is when you put up the "For Sale" sign. I prefer this line against the more aggro sorts.
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Originally Posted by daven
you don't c-bet these boards?
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Isn't this the classic WA/WB line... allowing for villian to think <JJ is good here, and helps us get away cheaply when they have an ace.
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So you click their picture and then you get their money?
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Warpe
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Originally Posted by kingnat
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Originally Posted by kmind
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Originally Posted by daven
you don't c-bet these boards?
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Isn't this the classic WA/WB line... allowing for villian to think <JJ is good here, and helps us get away cheaply when they have an ace. |
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Originally Posted by Warpe
SB said: lmao
SB said: wtf?
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SB said: am I really that %$#@&!#$ bad?
Showed QTo.
Still not sure though. Is this entirely read dependent? How often do we need to be good here?
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Originally Posted by kingnat
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Originally Posted by kmind
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Originally Posted by daven
you don't c-bet these boards?
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Isn't this the classic WA/WB line... allowing for villian to think <JJ is good here, and helps us get away cheaply when they have an ace. |
One could make the argument to bet it since there's a flush draw/straight draw and it's 3-way.
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And to balance our range because I'm sure we bet air here
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i hate your flop/turn play here.
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checking flop misses so much value, this is not wa/wb
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I like it, maybe I'm a station.
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I like it, maybe I'm a station.
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I've played this situation similarly before with some decent results at 100NL...
I think a lot of villains will consider the flop check to mean "I don't have an ace". Looser players who aren't afraid to take a few stabs with 2nd pair won't figure you for queens though if they're level0 thinkers. I've seen em' take weak 1/2 pot, 1/3rd pot stabs at it with like 66 on a AT24 board after the flop checks...
If you come out betting the flop they'd let it go, but the flop check (especially check-behind) gives some saucier villains the go-ahead...
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no way i check this oop on this drawy flop in 3 way pot. As played, i'd fold on the turn cuz your weak calling line really sucks if villain is not uber aggressive or a habitual bluffer.. Did you really plan to catch his bluffing in this spot after seeing the flop? 
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