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LeFou

03-09-2006, 11:29 PM Post subject: Is Q6 a top-pair hand now?

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Final 2 tables of a 45-player $10 SNG

PokerStars Game #4231793008: Tournament #21032535, Hold'em No Limit - Level VIII (200/400) - 2006/03/09 - 19:26:43 (ET)
Table '21032535 5' Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: berniemotto (2247 in chips)
Seat 3: hehateman (8763 in chips)
Seat 4: jayluf (2890 in chips)
Seat 7: NuWere (2995 in chips)
Seat 8: gityup (8895 in chips)
berniemotto: posts the ante 25
hehateman: posts the ante 25
jayluf: posts the ante 25
NuWere: posts the ante 25
gityup: posts the ante 25
jayluf: posts small blind 200
NuWere: posts big blind 400
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to NuWere [Qh 6h]
jayluf said, "i was ahead"
jayluf said, "morons"
gityup: calls 400
berniemotto: calls 400
hehateman: folds
jayluf: calls 200
NuWere: checks
*** FLOP *** [3s 6c 3c]

(Pot 1600)

berniemotto said, "i'm low in chips"
jayluf: bets 2465 and is all-in

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03-09-2006, 11:52 PM

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Pay structure?

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LeFou

03-10-2006, 01:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Fnord

Pay structure?

Not an FT. It looks like it 'cause we're 19 ppl on 3 tables, or something like that.

EDIT: woops, I guess that was clear from the OP. Pays seven places, decent money starts at 5th, $40 on $11

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03-10-2006, 03:51 AM

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M of 4...but I'd rather push this preflop (though generally not in this situation) than call here. Two overs and a good flush draw is a call...I just hate going down with a marginal BB hand though.

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03-10-2006, 06:12 AM

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4c 5c making it almost even? Slow played big pair? Almost any hand since its SB completing with any 2 and not many reads?

Either way, I think this is SUPER player dependent and don't know if there's a correct "abc" play

but with your chip stack and the blinds ahhh I don't know.. my head hurts

Dealer: bencathers has two pair, Aces and Deuces
Dealer: Tbags has two pair, Kings and Jacks
Dealer: Tbags finished the tournament in 256th place
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LeFou

03-10-2006, 10:41 AM

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Mine too. the pair on board here only means the deck is rich with cards higher than six.

I hated this hand. It was at a critical time too.

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03-10-2006, 10:45 AM

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Mine too. the pair on board here only means the deck is rich with cards higher than six.

I hated this hand. It was at a critical time too.

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03-10-2006, 11:12 AM

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Mine too. the pair on board here only means the deck is rich with cards higher than six.

No seen cards:

Cards higher than 6 in deck: 32
Cards lower than 6 in deck: 20

After seen cards:
Cards higher than 6 left in deck: 31
Cards lower than 6 in deck: 16

32/52 vs 31/47, very small difference

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03-10-2006, 01:46 PM

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You are not better than 55/45 to win this hand and you may be WB, there are two limpers yet to act behind you, this is a CLEAR fold

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03-10-2006, 02:55 PM

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You are not better than 55/45 to win this hand and you may be WB, there are two limpers yet to act behind you, this is a CLEAR fold

I don't think it is, actaully.
pp>6 are pretty much out of the question, and opp doesn't push a 3 here.
I see the only limping hands that suck for me as A6s. Even that's questionable, as most will raise any ace PF.

versus overcards that are both clubs I'm a coinflip -- even versus AcKc which can catch a pair to win. (not that anyone here has AcKc)
If someone else calls behind, I figure opps have some of each other's outs (clubs or paint).
e.g. if Tc9c and JsTh i have 45% equity.
if Tc9c and Kh4c I have 42%

Tripling here puts me in the top 5. and My M is 4.
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03-10-2006, 03:32 PM

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I guess it depends on what you think of the opponent. Is he capable of seeing this ugly-looking flop that probably didnt help the limpers and trying to steal the 1600+ antes in the pot with very little, despite being UTG, or does he always have overcard+flush draw or better here. Also, i think you need a good read to conclude that he would not push a 3 here.

I think the difference in making the call or folding here is the fact that you are first to act rather than last. You can usually find a better spot percentagewise with an M of 4 and having just paid your BB.

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03-10-2006, 04:26 PM

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its never been a call!
id rather get busted pushing 72o from the button in a few hands than call here having zero idea of what opponent has.

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03-10-2006, 05:14 PM

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Quote:

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Fnord

Pay structure?

Not an FT. It looks like it 'cause we're 19 ppl on 3 tables, or something like that.

EDIT: woops, I guess that was clear from the OP. Pays seven places, decent money starts at 5th, $40 on $11

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03-10-2006, 05:29 PM

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Gamble

I was afraid of that. As it turns out, I folded, despite reading that I was ahead.
Opp got called, showed Ace high. So did the caller. Neither improved.

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03-10-2006, 08:05 PM

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Quote:

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Gamble

I was afraid of that. As it turns out, I folded, despite reading that I was ahead.
Opp got called, showed Ace high. So did the caller. Neither improved.

Figured it was something like Ax quite often looking to pick it up with outs. Lots of money in the pot and you're stuck with a piece of it.

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05-31-2006, 05:19 PM

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i could let you know what i was thinking in this hand by pushing if you would like....

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05-31-2006, 05:53 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jayluf

i could let you know what i was thinking in this hand by pushing if you would like....

So fill us in.

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