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Rondavu

12-21-2005, 05:19 PM Post subject: Pulling a Ripptide

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This isn't for strategy. This is just an example of Lagging for action. I was maintaining an absolutely horrible image at a tight table here. I was stealing all over the place and showing. Raising weak. All the bad stuff. People were calling me fish, "Hey azz, keep raising that button", "I'm gonna bust you stupid". One guy even said "Me and five of my friends have you pegged as a complete idiot". People have fish notes on me! Yaaaa. Now that's amore. Eventually the whole table came after me. Before that they got real loose passive when they hit a flop. That's when this beauty came up on the button...

PokerStars Game #3389592342: Hold'em No Limit ($0.50/$1.00) -
2005/12/20 - 19:59:20 (ET)
Table 'Corvus IV' Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: Rondavu ($155.95 in chips)
Seat 2: truttaJR ($99 in chips)
Seat 3: sa show ($13.50 in chips)
Seat 4: clarkw1 ($58.45 in chips)
Seat 5: Johan23 ($137.20 in chips)
Seat 6: bagger01 ($97.50 in chips)
Seat 7: Peto ($100 in chips)
Seat 8: KillerDucky ($115.95 in chips)
Seat 9: scheme36 ($156.75 in chips)
truttaJR: posts small blind $0.50
sa show: posts big blind $1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Rondavu [8h 5s]
clarkw1: folds
Johan23: folds
bagger01: folds
Peto: folds
KillerDucky: folds
scheme36: folds
Rondavu: raises $3 to $4
truttaJR: calls $3.50
sa show: folds
*** FLOP *** [Ks 7d 6h]
truttaJR: bets $3
Rondavu: raises $4 to $7
truttaJR: calls $4
*** TURN *** [Ks 7d 6h] [4d]
truttaJR: checks
Rondavu: bets $15
truttaJR: calls $15
*** RIVER *** [Ks 7d 6h 4d] [Qs]
truttaJR: checks
Rondavu: bets $35
truttaJR: calls $35
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Rondavu: shows [8h 5s] (a straight, Four to Eight)
truttaJR: mucks hand
Rondavu collected $120 from pot
KillerDucky said, "haha" <--- He loves it
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $123 | Rake $3
Board [Ks 7d 6h 4d Qs]
Seat 1: Rondavu (button) showed [8h 5s] and won ($120) with a straight,
Four to Eight
Seat 2: truttaJR (small blind) mucked [Jc Kc]
Seat 3: sa show (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: clarkw1 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: Johan23 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: bagger01 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: Peto folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: KillerDucky folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: scheme36 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

It's not what's inside that counts. Have you seen what's inside?
Internal organs. And they're getting uglier by the minute.

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12-21-2005, 05:27 PM

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I love 85. Nobody can put you on these cards and the straight is well hidden when you hit it. Implied odds are good with it. NH

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r8ed

12-21-2005, 05:52 PM

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Fish.

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12-21-2005, 06:01 PM

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Id have bet more on the river here though!

Rondavu

12-21-2005, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by r8ed

Fish.

LMAO. But I have $250 in front of me. Can't you see?

It's not what's inside that counts. Have you seen what's inside?
Internal organs. And they're getting uglier by the minute.

r8ed

12-21-2005, 06:13 PM

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This guy truly is a moron or just so caught up in your head games...or both. KJ? And he's playing so freaking passively. I bet if he comes over the top on the flop he takes it down. Then he check-calls all the way. Nice setup and nice table.

You probably sit in front of your computer and actually laugh out loud (not lol) while your mommy bangs on the door screaming "You're not gambling online again are you?".

Rondavu

12-21-2005, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by r8ed

This guy truly is a moron or just so caught up in your head games...or both. KJ? And he's playing so freaking passively. I bet if he comes over the top on the flop he takes it down.

I see what you're saying. With KJ you have to find out where you're at. I also see where this guy is coming from. At certain times it's correct to call down an evasive hyper aggressive, because your implied odds are held in his continued attempts to buy it. I think he feels like I'm totally bluffing in this spot, and doesn't want to dry the action by letting me know I'm beat. I think KJ on that board was the wrong hand to do this with, but I see what he was trying to do. he just wasn't very good at it.

It's not what's inside that counts. Have you seen what's inside?
Internal organs. And they're getting uglier by the minute.

mouteut

12-21-2005, 11:52 PM

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As miffed said i think you could extact more with this image. 25$ on turn and all in river is what i would do if you truly had a fish maniac image(especially if this guy is not very good).

I mean pot is 22$ on turn, you could bet more than 15$. And on river again i think he calls more. Maybe my betting ammounts are excessive but you can surely get more than this.

Nice hand sir

Rondavu

12-22-2005, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by mouteut

As miffed said i think you could extact more with this image. 25$ on turn and all in river is what i would do if you truly had a fish maniac image(especially if this guy is not very good).

I mean pot is 22$ on turn, you could bet more than 15$. And on river again I think he calls more. Maybe my betting amounts are excessive but you can surely get more than this.

This is something I'm still working on. I can never quite feel out how far my opponents are willing to go with their relatively weak cards when I'm superdonking. What is the psychology of an opponent with top pair when they're in hand with an overaggressive douche? Just this morning I was working over a 6 max table with a horrible image and flopped a nutflush. Guy bet $4 out into me so I raised to $9. He then bet the turn out for $8 so I raised to $20. He checked the blank river and my $30 bet scared him off, where another $20 bet may have been called. I have to imagine he had something pretty good betting out the flop and the turn without a flush, not to mention calling both raises, but he still folded when I got greedy.

It's not what's inside that counts. Have you seen what's inside?
Internal organs. And they're getting uglier by the minute.

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12-22-2005, 04:02 PM

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I have been doing same kind of thing lately. Join a table start playing real aggresive. Stealing pots, betting alot etc..Then if I get a situation like yours here. I'll just do something totally ridiculous and go all in. For some reason alot of people think it is a bluff and they are going to get to bust you right there and call.
Last night I had pocket Ks. Flop the 3rd K, on a board with no good draws on it. Checked opponent checked, turn made a rainbow board with no draw. I checked again opponent checked. River was a nothing card. I went all in for like 150$. Opponent called. I won. He mucked his cards so I have no idea what he had. He may have had something, but with him not betting I dont think it was much. He had to think I was just bluffing a draw.
It seems that if you make a modest bet they think they are beat and you are just trying to get more $ out of them, but if you go all in they think its a bluff. I do this alot, and it works alot more than you would think it does. In the hand you had with the str8 pretty well hidden I would have went all in.

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12-22-2005, 04:06 PM

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Turn is fine. Push river.

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12-22-2005, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Ugly Ed

It seems that if you make a modest bet they think they are beat and you are just trying to get more $ out of them, but if you go all in they think its a bluff.

That's why when I am bluffing I put out a bet that looks like a value bet on the river when I know they don't have the flush that came out (even though I don't either). 3/4 pot usually works.

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12-22-2005, 04:16 PM

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Stealing pots, betting alot etc..Then if I get a situation like yours here. I'll just do something totally ridiculous and go all in.

Your strategy is anything but ridiculous. If we're playing 85o here, we need to get maximum value when we hit big. That's the whole point of playing like this.

That being said, hero was getting about due for a gear shift.

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12-22-2005, 08:01 PM

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Nh and well played. The weird thing about it is I don't think you can really fault villian for the way he played the hand.

On a side note, what do you think about just calling the flop bet by villian? You have a very well disugised draw, so by raising, I think you only open the door up for villian to come back over the top which may force you to fold and flush away a lot of implied odds. But if you are going to raise, I think it should be more. Make it $10-12. That way you have some fold equity as well. You basically minraised his bet. Did you do this to buy a free card in case you miss the turn? I think by raising to $10-12, it is much more effective since it gives you a lot more fold equity as well as gets you information on villian's hand. Plus it will still buy you the free card for a couple more dollars.

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12-22-2005, 08:10 PM

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12-22-2005, 08:11 PM

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I always knew you were a fish.

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Rondavu

12-23-2005, 05:46 PM

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I always knew you were a fish.

Rofl. Now you can take my money like you always dreamed.

It's not what's inside that counts. Have you seen what's inside?
Internal organs. And they're getting uglier by the minute.

12-23-2005, 06:53 PM

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12-23-2005, 09:14 PM

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This hand looks like a blind steal that went very good

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12-23-2005, 10:26 PM

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12-25-2005, 08:36 AM

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I love when playing super lagg gets you pegged as a "fish."

The main benefit of extreme lagg play seems to be that most players don't know how to adapt to it. The correct reaction is probably to be reraising liberally (unless you're against an absolute maniac who will respond with reraise bluffs), but most players just respond by becoming extremely passive. This basically makes them indistinguishable from a $10 NL fish.

I was playing like this one day, and had gotten caught bluffing every street and pushing all-in on the river with complete air. Then several hands later I raised preflop with Q-3 suited, flopped a flush, and got called all the way by top pair, including my all-in bet on the river. If he had just played back at me at some point (preferably the flop), he could've potentially saved a big chunk of his stack.

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