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06-18-2007, 01:53 AM
Post subject: PT stats for May/June
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I play full ring 10NL, these are the PT screens for my last ~5800 hands. To avoid the glaringly obvious, I'm playing too many hands, and raising too many hands from early position. I also seem to have a problem letting go of overpairs to raises. Outside of these general leaks, does anyone see any glaring problems with my numbers? Any and all advice welcomed and appreciated!! 
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Sashimi
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Join Date: May 2007
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You defend your blinds to much. I dont think playing overpairs is a problem here, I doubt "one pair" showing red has anything to do with your overpairs. You are running at pretty loose stats also so you shouldn't be dropping many overpairs.
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JeffreyGB
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You should be raising more of the hands you're playing (and/or calling less). I like to have a max of around 5% difference between my VPIP and my PFR.
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overflow
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So you think dropping to 16.5/11 or 13/8 will improve my results? 20/15 seems like it would bring on substantial variance.
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JeffreyGB
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I honestly think any of the three adjustments will be an improvement for you. When you are the preflop raiser, you get to be in control of the hand. That is huge!
I'll try to remember to post a shot of my stats tomorrow (I don't have them on this computer).
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overflow
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I'm playing around with PokerStove a bit here, let me know if this looks like a good starting range to work from:
Raise: (11%)
22+, ATs+, KJs+, QJs, JTs, AQo+, KQ
Open limp mid-late: (5.7%)
A5s-A2s, 45s-T9s, AJo, KJo, QJo
Which would give me a 16.7/11 line over the long haul.
Does that seem like a good range? I'm guessing I can interchange PPs under 6 with the middle no gap suited connectors to add a little variety to my betting patterns. According to what you're advising this seems like a good range to start with. Any suggestions?
Also as far as weak suited aces go, in your experience does the fact that wheel aces can only make one straight wash with the kicker strength of an A7,A8,A9 against the relative calling standards of a loose 35+ VP$IP table?
If you were only going to play 4 of the weak suited aces would you side on A6-A9 or A2-A5?
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overflow
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Here's a model for a 13/8 distro:
Raise: (8.1%)
55+,AJs+,KJs+,QJs+,AQo+
Call: (5%)
44-33,ATs-A9s, JTs, AJo, KQo, QJo
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EzDuzIt
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remember that you should be playing really tight in early position and playing a lot more hands in later position.
and its going to depend on what position you are at, whats already happened in the hand, and the stats of the other players to decide if you are going to play certain hands. not just a certain set of hands to play from everywhere.
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overflow
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And one for a 20/15:
Raise: (15.2%)
22+,A7s+,KTs+,QTs+,JTs,AJo+,KJo+,QJo
Call: (4.8%)
A6s-A2s,65s+,ATo,JTo
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overflow
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Originally Posted by EzDuzIt
remember that you should be playing really tight in early position and playing a lot more hands in later position.
and its going to depend on what position you are at, whats already happened in the hand, and the stats of the other players to decide if you are going to play certain hands. not just a certain set of hands to play from everywhere.
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Absolutely, situational adjustments are key. I've just always had a problem with playing too many hands, unsuited non-broadway no gaps, 2 and 3 gap suited cards like 96s 85s, etc. As a result my VP$IP was very spewy. My goal with this excercise is getting myself in the habit of limiting my range so that I can avoid playing too many pots, and giving money away with bad two pairs, underflushes, and idiot straights What's that old saying, something like, "You can't build a house on sand." As of yet, I have not shown any capacity to be a long term winner at any stakes level in NL ring games. My naturally instinctive reaction is to start back over from scratch with a solid foundation to find out what works and what doesn't.
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SHAKE
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by overflow
And one for a 20/15:
Raise: (15.2%)
22+,A7s+,KTs+,QTs+,JTs,AJo+,KJo+,QJo
Call: (4.8%)
A6s-A2s,65s+,ATo,JTo
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hey hey thats the $$ range
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SHAKE
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Join Date: Jun 2007
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some advice.
Raise playable hands from position and cbet.
fold all but showdown-able hands from EP
play pairs for sets, (stackadonk)
Dont overplay TPTK
best of all
small hands small pots yada yada yada
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djzcko
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Originally Posted by SHAKE
some advice.
Dont overplay TPTK
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In 6 max low stakes ($100nl and below), TPTK gets paid off more often than not. Sure, against solid opponents I don't felt it, but against most 6 max players I'll overplay it because they will call with a draw or substantially less than TPTK.
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Jimmy Mac
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You are way way too loose from your blinds, and especially from early-middle position. I'd try to get your VP$IP under 20% and keep it there until you start winning. You can beat these games for a nice rate playing 14/7 ABC poker. Rentons guide has some solid preflop ranges in it, I'd try those out for a while, see how it goes.
http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...oker-39184.htm
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Jimmy Mac
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Did these around christmas time, rebuilding my roll at PS 25nl. Not aggro enough in position and I think I probably folded away some value, but whatever. Being a nit is underrated at this level IMO 
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overflow
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Jesus, you're over 65% W$SD in MP, that's nutty!! I need to hand read better post flop lol.
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Jimmy Mac
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Originally Posted by overflow
Jesus, you're over 65% W$SD in MP, that's nutty!! I need to hand read better post flop lol.
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True. My stats have been a bit more balanced recently, but I tend to make weak folds sometimes, especially when I'm OOP and dont have much invested.
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JeffreyGB
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The hand ranges you posted sounded reasonable. But part of the key is: never open limp. If it's folded to you and you're playing, raise. You can limp behind several limpers with the right hands (though I often raise even in these spots if many/all of the limpers will go away) but if you're opening, raise!
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overflow
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I forgot to mention I was 2 and 3 tabling 10NL for most of that downswing... maybe 3 tabling on a 900BB stake is not the best idea in the world
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overflow
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I forgot to mention I was 2 and 3 tabling 10NL for most of that downswing... maybe 3 tabling on a 900BB stake is not the best idea in the world
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mixchange
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-stop playing trash
- play supertight for awhile
- dont play w/ any ace except AQ or better unless on the button or AJs in the CO
-learn how to setmine. you should make a lottt more with setmining. Limp call baby, use 15x rule.
-play your suited connectors in position.
- learn to be willing to dump maginal hands like kj, qj, k10 as one pair hands they stink
-weak suited aces are a good way to throw away $$, took me awhile to get that.
you also need to fold more with one pair, its not a great hand
I could tell a lot more if oyu posted your biggest winner and loser hands
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