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Stagemn

03-30-2006, 09:13 AM Post subject: Proof small to medium PP aren't the best hands

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Here's a few hands I saw the past couple days how people played small to medium PP really bad and why it just ain't worth playing at all. (stack sizes in bold show who had the PP)

Poker Stars
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.01/$0.02
8 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $5.25
UTG+1: $1.87
MP1: $4.63
MP2: $1.62
Hero: $8.79
Button: $1.37
SB: $1.87
BB: $1.08

Pre-flop: (8 players) Hero is CO with A

UTG calls $0.02, UTG+1 calls $0.02, MP1 calls $0.02, MP2 folds, Hero raises to $0.14, 3 folds, UTG calls $0.12, 2 folds.

Flop: J

($0.35, 2 players)
UTG bets $0.1, Hero raises to $0.5, UTG calls $0.4.

Turn: T

($1.35, 2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $1.25, UTG calls $1.25.

River: A

($3.85, 2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $4, UTG calls all-in $3.36.
Uncalled bets: $0.64 returned to Hero.

Results:
Final pot: $10.57
Hero showed Ah Kd
UTG showed 5h 5d

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Poker Stars
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.01/$0.02
9 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $5.10
UTG+1: $1.78
MP1: $5.04
MP2: $0.92
MP3: $2.10
CO: $5.37
Button: $3.98
SB: $1.14
Hero: $2.52

Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is BB with 5

UTG folds, UTG+1 calls $0.02, 4 folds, Button calls $0.02, SB calls $0.01, Hero checks.

Flop: K

($0.08, 4 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.04, UTG+1 calls $0.04, Button calls $0.04, SB folds.

Turn: 4

($0.2, 3 players)
Hero bets $0.06, UTG+1 calls $0.06, Button folds.

River: A

($0.32, 2 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 bets $0.1, Hero calls $0.1.

Results:
Final pot: $0.52
UTG+1 showed Jh Kc
Hero mucks 5c 5s

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Poker Stars
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.01/$0.02
9 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $4.64
UTG+1: $4.97
MP1: $2.17
MP2: $3.75
Hero: $2.65
CO: $2.87
Button: $1.79
SB: $5.42
BB: $1.51

Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is MP3 with K

UTG folds, UTG+1 calls $0.02, MP1 folds, MP2 raises to $0.08, Hero folds, 3 folds, BB calls $0.06, UTG+1 calls $0.06.

Flop: 4

($0.25, 3 players)
BB bets $0.08, UTG+1 calls $0.08, MP2 raises to $0.16, BB folds, UTG+1 calls $0.08.

Turn: T

($0.65, 2 players)
UTG+1 checks, MP2 bets $0.5, UTG+1 calls $0.5.

River: A

($1.65, 2 players)
UTG+1 bets $1, MP2 calls $1.

Results:
Final pot: $3.65
UTG+1 showed Th Jh
MP2 mucks 7c 7h

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Poker Stars
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.01/$0.02
8 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $0.57
UTG+1: $0.99
MP1: $1
MP2: $2.01
CO: $1.87
MP1: $2.17
Hero: $1.97
SB: $2.10
BB: $1.16

Pre-flop: (8 players) Hero is Button with 6

UTG calls $0.02, UTG+1 calls $0.02, MP1 (poster) checks, MP2 calls $0.02, CO calls $0.02, Hero folds, SB calls $0.01, BB (poster) checks.

Flop: T

($0.14, 7 players)
SB bets $0.02, BB raises to $0.1, UTG raises all-in $0.55, 3 folds, CO calls $0.55, SB calls $0.53, BB folds.

Turn: 5

($1.89, 2 players + 1 all-in - Main pot: $1.89)
SB checks, CO checks.

River: K

($1.89, 2 players + 1 all-in - Main pot: $1.89)
SB checks, CO checks.

Results:
Final pot: $1.89
SB showed Qc 8c
UTG mucks 3c 3h
CO mucks Qs 3s

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jackvance

03-30-2006, 09:42 AM

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Only looked at the first hand, but dunno what that guy was doing.. he called quite a high raise with a mere low pp. And without any other callers to boot. I'd never do this. And then the board gives a super obvious winner for a preflop raise that high, and he still calls a raise that is more than the pot.. my god!
(sorry but I don't think I need to look at the rest of the hands after this one)

edit: ok looked anyway

second hand: you chase when your pp misses.

third hand: he got bad luck on the river

fourth hand: pure comedy, he throws himself all-in with the smallest stack on a flop with 3 overcards and 7 (SEVEN!) people in the hand.. haha

Hm, maybe I should go play 2NL after all..

Pelion

03-30-2006, 11:19 AM Post subject: Re: Proof small to medium PP aren't the best hands

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Stagemn

Here's a few hands I saw the past couple days how people played small to medium PP really bad and why it just ain't worth playing at all

Thats a dumb thing to say. Yes those hands were played horribly. No that doesnt mean small PPs arent worth playing. All it means is that it is worth learning how to play them properly.

If you limped AA preflop, check/called the flop and turn and called any bet on any river I guarentee AA would be a loser for you? That doesnt mean AA is a bad hand. It just means that any hand can be a loser if you play it badly (except maybe a royal flush).

And that 77 hand was just a bad beat... That situation will be profitable over time.

gabe: Ive dropped almost 100k in the past 35 days.

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lolzzz_321

03-30-2006, 11:30 AM

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The people are playing them look like they have the IQ of a cucumber, they are worth playing, but for the most part set value.

bair

03-30-2006, 02:03 PM

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no offense but you're fucking horrendous and stupid as shit if you think they arent worth playing. and vance, in the first hand that pocket pair should NEVER be folded for that raise, look at their stacks, they both have 50x the size of the raise, implied odds out the ass. but yeah after the flop it couldnt have possibly been played worse. please dont post hand histories like this ever again, we are now dumber for reading this thread.

SuperDave9x19

03-30-2006, 02:18 PM

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The only "proof" here is that poor playing brings poor results.

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03-30-2006, 02:20 PM

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