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Old 06-29-2007, 05:47 AM     Post subject: probably easy situation for anyone with experience #1 (permalink)  
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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

BB ($117.90)
UTG ($99.50)
Hero ($117.95)
Button ($87.50)
SB ($137.50)

Preflop: Hero is MP with K, A.
UTG calls $1, Hero raises to $4, Button calls $4, 2 folds, UTG calls $3.

Flop: ($13.50) 5, 4, A (3 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $8, Button calls $8, UTG calls $8.

Turn: ($37.50) 3 (3 players)
UTG checks,


Given flop action, is it likely that someone hit flush or does it make sense to keep betting? I've got a nice draw and tptk with that K spade, so should I just check and take the free one or is that reason to bet more?
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Old 06-29-2007, 07:49 AM #2 (permalink)  
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 I'm checking this all day everyday. You are only beating two guys with weaker kickers with the only two other aces and the kickers have to be between 6 and q. you are behand here most of the time should be relying on another spade.

btw, bet at least 4/5ths pot on flop on this board against two opponents.
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Old 06-29-2007, 01:00 PM #3 (permalink)  
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check. Alot of hands just caught up with you. Alot of the weaker Aces arent calling another bet and you dont want to be checkraised off a draw to the effective nuts. Also if theres a bet behind and UTG calls you can probably call anyway.

edit: Actually you probably have to call a check/raise with so little behind but youll be behind almost always when you do.
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Old 06-29-2007, 04:59 PM #4 (permalink)  
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Anyone else like c/f turn line here? I doubt any bet that a made flush is going to make will give us odds to draw, and aren't our implied odds out the window if we do make our hand because of the 4flush on the board? I like a c/c line if we're not putting either opponent on a made flush.
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Old 06-29-2007, 04:59 PM #5 (permalink)  
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I'd stick the rest in with about pot behind.

Against passive opponents I might just bet this out.

Quite often I like a check.
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Old 06-29-2007, 06:28 PM #6 (permalink)  
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people that make flushes like to check turn if everyone else checked. Try to take the free card for the 2nd nuts
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Old 06-30-2007, 04:29 AM #7 (permalink)  
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Alright, so I checked the turn. Now what?



PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

BB ($117.90)
UTG ($99.50)
Hero ($117.95)
Button ($87.50)
SB ($137.50)

Preflop: Hero is MP with K, A.
UTG calls $1, Hero raises to $4, Button calls $4, 2 folds, UTG calls $3.

Flop: ($13.50) 5, 4, A (3 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $8, Button calls $8, UTG calls $8.

Turn: ($37.50) 3 (3 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks, Button checks.

River: ($37.50) K (3 players)
UTG bets $20,
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Old 06-30-2007, 04:41 AM #8 (permalink)  
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 I call here getting damn near 3:1 assuming button has nothing from his turn check .
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Old 06-30-2007, 04:48 PM #9 (permalink)  
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Thanks for all of your help so far, it helps me understand why I had the instincts I had, although I wasn't really giving it much thought at the time.

So the river call to me was easy, I agree that the call is pretty inevitable there with 3:1, and the button checking behind on the turn is a pretty good indication I am in safe territory.

However:

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

BB ($117.90)
UTG ($99.50)
Hero ($117.95)
Button ($87.50)
SB ($137.50)

Preflop: Hero is MP with K, A.
UTG calls $1, Hero raises to $4, Button calls $4, 2 folds, UTG calls $3.

Flop: ($13.50) 5, 4, A (3 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $8, Button calls $8, UTG calls $8.

Turn: ($37.50) 3 (3 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks, Button checks.

River: ($37.50) K (3 players)
UTG bets $20, Hero calls $20, Button raises to $75.5, UTG folds


At this point I'm thinking of the hands that beat me, of which there are many. A set, flush, even the lone deuce. The fact that the river is a king rarely helps me on the range of hands that raise like that.
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Old 06-30-2007, 04:53 PM #10 (permalink)  
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Old 06-30-2007, 07:13 PM #11 (permalink)  
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Hes showing huge strength and you are only getting 7:5. You arent good 40% of the time against a TAG or unknown.
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