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| magneticskull |
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Did I have odds to call? (math my weak suit...) PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (7 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx MP1 ($14.55) MP2 ($5.70) CO ($9.45) Hero ($14.85) SB ($5.05) BB ($15.70) UTG ($12.05) Preflop: Hero is Button with T  , A. 4 folds, Hero raises to $0.4, SB calls $0.35, 1 fold. Flop: ($0.90) Q  , Q, 3 (2 players)SB checks, Hero bets $0.6, SB calls $0.60. Turn: ($2.10) 6 (2 players)SB checks, Hero bets $2, SB raises to $4.05, Hero folds. Final Pot: $8.15 |
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There is no such thing as free checking...
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| KoRnholio |
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Check behind on the turn for a free shot at your draw and you won't need pot odds  Realistically, what can this guy call you with on the flop that will fold to a bet on the turn? QQ3 rainbow leaves no draws to chase..
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To be pleased with one's limits is a wretched state.
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| BankItDrew |
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absolutly. you need to call $2, which would be a 20% investment towards a $8 pot. your odds on the flush are 16% (8 outs assuming he has one queen and not a full house). To make it a justifiable call, your $2.05 call must be greater than 16% of the final pot. (100 / 16) * 2.05 = how big final pot has to be = $12.81 so, call his bet and bet at least $2.40 on the river to make your turn call justifiable. |
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| bair |
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| you always have odds to call after a minraise | ||
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| jackvance |
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You're gonna bet $2 into a $10 pot, so 1/5. To chance to get your flush is 1/6. Now if that guy hadn't gone all-in your implied odds would have justified the call but here I dunno. Probably isn't a bluff and he really has the Q, but maybe if you add the chance that he doesn't have the Q but an overpair and your A gets 3 outs, then you can justify the call  But seriously, you should have checked the turn. First get a free peak at your flush option, thén decide what to do. I don't see a need to want to take him out here... |
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| Pelion |
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is no good either. Thats alot of dirty outs. I think you can call it if he has a stack behind but im not so sure here. You are getting 4:1 but i dont think all your outs are clean. If you are calling its for the chance he has a PP. Its quite possible he has 66+ on that board. |
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gabe: Ive dropped almost 100k in the past 35 days.
bigspenda73: But how much did you win?
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| jackvance |
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| Right, didn't think of any dirty outs there. | ||
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"Regrets, I've had a few. Then again, too few to mention" - Frank Sinatra
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| magneticskull |
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I thought he was slowplaying QQ. He had been limping for several revolutions (folding to raises) and then called very fast when I bet. Checks the flop... but then calls immediately. When he checked the turn, I TOTALLY should have checked it, but I was in "no free checking mode" (LEAK). Maybe I got some information that saved me some money, but ultimately I passed at a free River, which is WAY DUMB. Of course, If he really had the Queens in the pocket, I just would have lost more money playing my A high flush like the nuts. Thanks all. -M |
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| jackvance |
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Hm, I don't think he has QQ here. Rather Qx. The chance to get quads on the flop when you have a pp is 0.25%. So it'll happen once every 400 pps you play! I think it's hard to keep a level head when you will be instantly fearing the absolute worst abysmal-odds situation on any flop. Especially when there are a lot more higher chance and plausible hands that could explain his betting behavior. |
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| Fnord |
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 Check the turn. Free cards are almost as cool as free beer. |
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| Miffed22001 |
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omg u stack him if u hot the river after taking the free card I have 50-100 hands like this from 10 and 20nl recently where opps just overplayer there hands horribly. In fact i prob have enough from 100nl to prove that too. |
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| magneticskull |
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| Yes, must get over dislike of the check and learn to use it's EVIL POWER. | ||
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| johnny_fish |
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| Don't bet when you don't know what to do with a reraise. Your bet is fine though if you reasonably could put him on a PP that thinks you missed. After the reraise his range is KQ/QJ/33 and your pot odds are good vs. that, so call. | ||
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| Renton |
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| betting draws is negative EV at 10nl. The only reason you do it at all is to represent a non-draw, and throw off aware opponents, EDIT: of which there are none. | ||
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