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Ltrain
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05-31-2007, 08:49 PM
Post subject: Preflop/Iso Question
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Flush
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Miami, Florida
Posts: 514
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Relocated limit player here still trying to iron out my basics in NL (I am at 100NL now)...
I have a question for preflop play and didn't see a prior thread on this. Regularly in a FR game I will be in the CO or button with 2-3 limpers ahead of me and will have unsuited broadway (K,Qo; K,10o, etc.) Do you regularly call preflop here or make a standard iso raise to fold out limpers/ set up a c-bet on the flop? What is your iso range? (pockets, suited or unsuited broadway, etc.) If your move is dependent upon the players, which players (Loose passive, TAG, LAG) would influence you to iso/raise or call?
I can see arguments for each, but wanted to get additional opinions.
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mixchange
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: San Francisco, CA
Posts: 1,665
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It depends on the table largely, but on the button I raise. I probably dump from the cutoff, unless the player who has the button is weak and I think I can "button steal" with a raise...but I would often muck these in CO if the button is strong. These hands are too easily dominated, but with position they can be playable. I definitely do not limp.
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Pants_101
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Flush
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Nottingham UK
Posts: 442
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I remember reading Sklanksy and he talks about Isolation raises being far less common in No Limit compared to Limit because the penalty for accidentally isolating against a better hand, particularly a dominating hand can be losing your whole stack. I might sometimes bluff raise here to knock out the limpage or get HU in position and try to c-bet it but the tables I'm playing are very weak tight pf. I'd recommend reading No Limit Holdem Theory and Practice if you havn't as it talks about differences between limit and no limit.
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gingerwizard
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Sep 2006
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KQo is a trouble hand and should be treated carefully. Behind limpers I'd limp because it still has value. Alternatively raising may buy you the button, which would be the only reason I'd raise.
I much prefer raising hands like 76 from late, because there is a lot of disguise to that hand, you know when you've made a big hand (or are drawing to one) and you'll have position. KQ can hit and be a massive dog.
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larsmars
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3-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Norway
Posts: 101
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Good question. KQ is a trouble hand if you're facing a raise. However, it is usually safe to assume you are not dominated if they limp in (since most players raise the hands that have you dominated most of the time). In this situation it is more likely that you have some of the other players dominated (if they limped in with a hand like QJ).
I was playing some (short handed) tables the other night. My friend was watching, and he asked why I raised AT on the button after a couple of limpers. I told him: "because everybody raises AJ".
By the way, I just started playing some limit (I have a long and noobish thread about this in the limit forum), and I'm trying to learn not to raise here. 
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