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Old 01-30-2006, 03:43 AM     Post subject: Pot goes out of control Pre-Flop, I have QQ #1 (permalink)  

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Once EvilBearth went AI, and fredjii called, it was obvious that one of them had AA and quite likely that the other had KK. So I folded, knowing that I was beat. However, I don't think my $15 re-raise was such a good idea.... my reasoning behind it was that these guys like to min raise to fool around, and so I wanted to slam the hammer to cut the crap. I thought they had 2 high cards so a large re-raise would make em fold and I'd secure a nice size pot Interesting hand nevertheless.

Tell me how you guys would have played this.
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Game # 233502429 - Texas Hold'em No Limit EUR 0,25/0,50 - Table "Hova"
Game ended 2006-01-30 04:10:57 GMT+01:00

Players:
EvilBearth (EUR 47,15 in seat 1)
fredjii (EUR 38,45 in seat 2)
Ace11 (EUR 56,05 in seat 3)
mcs2001 (EUR 46,30 in seat 4)
purespeed (EUR 139,50 in seat 6)

Dealer: purespeed
Small Blind: EvilBearth (0,25)
Big Blind: fredjii (0,50)

purespeed was dealt: Qd - Qh

Ace11 Call (0,50)
mcs2001 Fold
purespeed Raise (2,00)
EvilBearth Call (1,75)
fredjii Raise (4,50)
Ace11 Fold
purespeed Call (3,00)
EvilBearth Raise (6,00)
fredjii Call (3,00)
purespeed Raise (15,00)
EvilBearth All-In (39,15)
fredjii All-In (30,45)
purespeed Fold
EvilBearth Payback (8,70)

Flop 6s - Qc - 4h
Turn 6s - Qc - 4h - 7d
River 6s - Qc - 4h - 7d - 8s

EvilBearth shows: Ad - Ac (a pair of aces)
fredjii shows: Jd - Jc (a pair of jacks)

EvilBearth wins: EUR 95,40 (with a pair of aces)
Rake: EUR 2,00
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Old 01-30-2006, 03:52 AM #2 (permalink)  
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I think everything up until the 15 reraise was good. But, that was your only mistake (big mistake might I add). Nice fold afterwards.
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Old 01-30-2006, 05:11 AM #3 (permalink)  
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Why did you reraise 15? The reraise-call-reraise line makes absolutely no sense. See a flop because it should be pretty clear that QQ is a iffy proposition at best here preflop (and as it turns out, would have taken a few stacks). Fold after your rereraise is reraised AI is easy.

I guess I wasn't there so I couldn't have known what the other two were doing in other hands, but if you're calling to see a flop, you have a chance to see a flop and ... raise again?
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Old 01-30-2006, 01:47 PM #4 (permalink)  
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I agree that the re-raise to 15 was not the best move, but how was the fold justfied after the re-re raise? You are now calling 24,15 into a 106,15 pot giving you 4.4 to 1 on the call and both ops are all in. I can't see how this is a good laydown with 5 cards to come regardless of their holding.
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Old 01-30-2006, 11:14 PM #5 (permalink)  

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My reasoning behind the re-raise was to either make these players fold or call to see an expensive flop, because I put them on 2 high cards or even utter crap. Keep in mind this happened at Martinspoker, and these guys at my table are ones that will call a 6x BB pf raise w/ 94o hoping to get lucky. Not only that, they will raise, or even re-raise OOP w/ other crap hands like Jx, Qx, Kx, Ax etc... they take the "play any two" concept WAY too far.

Though looking back, calling and seeing the flop would have been a much better move. Would have made lots of $$$ here
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