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spoonitnow

01-04-2008, 10:39 PM Post subject: Post Your Rake/100 Hands (How-To w/Pics Included)

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I'm going to go step-by-step with you guys with pictures and stuff to show you how to figure out what your rake paid per 100 hands is using Poker Tracker. In exchange, I hope that you guys will post your full ring rake rates here along with what site and stakes you play at so that we can get a current list going. I'll use my December results at 100nl to illustrate and get the list started.

Step 1: Go to the Preferences tab in Poker Tracker and under Game Levels, check the stakes you want to look at to filter your database for only that level. Here is an example picture of me filtering for 100nl:

Step 2: Look at the General Info page and write down how many hands you played at that level. In December, I played 62250 hands of 100nl.

Step 3: Go to the Game Notes tab and click the Get All button on the right near the top. Here is a picture of that button:

Step 4: Read your total MGR and write it down somewhere. Here is an example picture again, and my total MGR is $3389.53.

So I played 62250 hands and had an MGR of $3389.53, meaning I gave about $5.45/100 hands to the rake, or 2.72 ptbb/100.

If you're confused about any of this, just post your MGR and total hands for a full ring level and I'll do the calculations for you and add it to this first post.

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The List:

PokerStars 10nl, 4.10 ptbb/100, 63179 hands, JinxT4
PokerStars 100nl, 2.72 ptbb/100, 62250 hands, spoonitnow
PokerStars 100nl, 3.11 ptbb/100, 60383 hands, NLHE lahooozaher
PokerStars 100nl, 3.48 ptbb/100, 48564 hands, pgil

Full Tilt 25nl, 4.18 ptbb/100, 25542 hands, daven
Full Tilt 50nl, 3.68 ptbb/100, 10286 hands, daven

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wufwugy

01-04-2008, 10:51 PM

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1/2 stakes 29924 hands 714.69 mgr. Don't know how to calculate it.

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01-04-2008, 11:54 PM

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spoonitnow

01-05-2008, 01:45 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by wufwugy

1/2 stakes 29924 hands 714.69 mgr. Don't know how to calculate it.

Check your MGR one more time for me. Make sure that you've clicked Get All and you have the "Show only hands with x.xx rake" set to 0.00.

I say this because your MGR per hand was half of mine per hand and you're at twice the stakes I am.

wufwugy

01-05-2008, 01:54 AM

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Settings are correct. I've thought for a while that there's something wrong somewhere since my mgr makes not sense. What is mgr btw?

spoonitnow

01-05-2008, 02:32 AM

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MGR is total rake of each pot divided by the number of players. IE, how most sites figure rakeback percentages.

That's really odd, btw.

JinxT4

01-05-2008, 02:50 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by spoonitnow

MGR is total rake of each pot divided by the number of players. IE, how most sites figure rakeback percentages.

That's really odd, btw.

Not sure if you want microstakes stats, but if so, my December (10NL):
517.61 MGR 63,179 hands
517.61/63179 = .00819
.00819 x 100 = .819
.819 / 2 = .4096
.4096 ptbb/100?

Did I calculate that correctly? If so, then wouldn't:

Quote:

Originally Posted by wufwugy

1/2 stakes 29924 hands 714.69 mgr. Don't know how to calculate it.

714.69/29924 = .02388
x 100 = 2.388
/ 2 = 1.194 ptbb/100?

wufwugy

01-05-2008, 03:05 AM

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Perhaps my PT is cutting off the thousands and beyond? The next box begins immediately after the hundred digit.

So here's this month so far which should then have an mgr in the hundreds:

6156 hands 566.24 mgr. I'm so bad with maths I still can't figure it out lol.

JinxT4

01-05-2008, 03:12 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by wufwugy

4.599 ptbb/100?

pgil

01-05-2008, 03:29 AM

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make the column wider to get more numbers. drag just like in excel.

pokerstars 100NL/PL
54949 hands, MGR 3904.82, $7.1/100 = 3.55PTBB/100

just 100NL: 48564 hands, MGR 3380.5, $6.96/100 = 3.48PTBB/100

that really sucks

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spoonitnow

01-05-2008, 03:56 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by wufwugy

2.30 ptbb/100

This looks much more reasonable.

I'll wait to add it to the list after you get a bigger sample.

spoonitnow

01-05-2008, 04:03 AM

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Added JinxT4 stats for 10nl and pgil stats for 100nl.

Jesus Christ pgil, I wonder why yours is so much higher than mine?

spoonitnow

01-05-2008, 04:05 AM

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Btw JinxT4 I need to know which site you're on. Thanks.

pgil

01-05-2008, 04:17 AM

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i do too, believe me.

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01-05-2008, 04:43 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by pgil

i do too, believe me.

I run about 16/14.5, you?

JinxT4

01-05-2008, 04:44 AM

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Sorry, Stars too here.

Where did I go wrong in my maths?
It worked when I tried it on your example spoon:
(3389.53/62250) x 100 / 2 = 2.7225 ptbb/100
(3389.53/62250) x 50 = 2.7225 ptbb/100
?

So when I do wufwugy's:
(566.24/6156) x 50 = 4.599 ptbb = wrong?

spoonitnow

01-05-2008, 04:55 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by JinxT4

I play 100nl and wufwugy plays 200nl, so his ptbb is twice the size of mine.

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01-05-2008, 05:18 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by spoonitnow

I play 100nl and wufwugy plays 200nl, so his ptbb is twice the size of mine.

Ah, got it. Now I don't feel as dumb b/c at least I know my math was somewhat right (just missing the final step of converting to 100NL).

MuddyWicket

01-05-2008, 06:06 AM

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3101 hands in december $49.41 mgr

10c Full tilt

Mine Yours
3101.00 62250.00 <=hands
49.41 3389.53 <= mgr
0.02 0.05 <= per hand
1.59 5.45 <=per 100
0.10 1.00 <=BB
7.97 2.72 <=ptbb

right I reckon Pgil ran good hence high rake. Unless I have made a mistake which is why I had to put yours in the spread sheet next to mine. Your stats are going to be skewed by how good people ran, more hands you win the more rake you pay?

btw Spoonitnow big thanks for all your rake posts, opened my eyes about something I was confused about.

Editted due to a a giant misread in pokertracker.

daven

01-05-2008, 08:18 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by MuddyWicket

more hands you win the more rake you pay?

yep, but that doesn't affect MGR. How good you run has no impact on this measure, it will affect the Total Rake field in the General Info. tab though.

An interesting measure would be the relationship between MGR and Total Rake, if you are running good then your Total Rake should be well above MGR.

Quote:

Originally Posted by spoonitnow

Jesus Christ pgil, I wonder why yours is so much higher than mine?

who knows? some thoughts
* table selection, players who select for higher average pots will end up with higher MGR
* type of player. Looser more aggressive players will contribute to a table having bigger pots than will nits.

Ok, some numbers - only a few hands, but I think sample sizes don't need to be too big to get a decent estimate of the mean

Full Tilt 50NL
10 286 hands
$378.30 MGR
3.68ptBB/100

Full Tilt 25 NL
25 452 hands
$532.37 MGR
4.18ptBB/100

and I know it's 6-max, but interesting is:
Prima 10NL 6-max
22 392 hands
$319.71 MGR
7.15ptBB/100 (is that right?)

don't raise with the straight flush bro, nobody ever gonna call that shit
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spoonitnow

01-05-2008, 11:42 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by MuddyWicket

You're welcome man.

At PokerStars, I'm suspecting that the worst rates of rake in terms of ptbb/100 will be at 25nl with 10nl and 50nl taking a close second.

I also suspect that PokerStars has lower rake in ptbb/100 at 10nl than Prima since I think Prima still takes a straight 5% and PokerStars does their's like a nickel for every dollar in the pot.

Miffed22001

01-05-2008, 02:16 PM

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ive got some 6max stats

53189 (various sites) 7614.32 MGR

Im trying to get my full ring stats up but as ive clicked the 'auto rate as 6max button' im having trouble figuring out whats full ring.

pgil

01-05-2008, 05:51 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by spoonitnow

Quote:

Originally Posted by pgil

i do too, believe me.

I run about 16/14.5, you?

20/13 ish

i only play 3-5 tables usually, so I select loose ones, might have something to do with it

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01-05-2008, 06:02 PM

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Hey Guys, could you PM me with what poker software you think is best. I play lots but have never used a poker tracker or poker software...I think it could improve my profits, and really let me make better table selections.

wufwugy

01-05-2008, 09:18 PM

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Dragging the column isn't changing the sizes of the boxes within.

What are the rake paid differences between pgil and spoon? That may shed some light.

2/4 stats 5745 hands 659.10 mgr. Does this come out to 2.867ptbb?

This all doesn't make sense. Shouldn't mgr be dropping as the stakes increase since we're paying less rake relative to pot size. At least I think we are. Rake paid increases absolutely but decreases relatively.

My initial mgr posted are actually probably 1714.69 or 2714.69.

d0zer

01-06-2008, 05:34 AM

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25NL, basically since operation impatience began...

MG: 192.47
Hands: 8524
Rake/100: $2.26 = 4.52ptbb = rakepwnd!

NLHE lahooozaher

01-06-2008, 05:10 PM

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Mine is $3,760.88 over 60,383 hands at Stars 100nl.

spoonitnow

01-06-2008, 06:22 PM

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I've added daven's and NLHE lahooozaher's full ring stats.

I'd prefer that these samples be over 20k if at all possible.

Thanks guys

d0zer

01-06-2008, 09:05 PM

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I feel so left out due to n00bishness.

*furiously tries to break 20k while choking back tears*

Chopper

01-06-2008, 09:26 PM

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smaller db's...

10NL, 10,354 hands. rake 87.15. $.84/100 or 4.21ptbb/100.

25NL, 27,193 hands. rake 505.70. $1.86/100 or 3.72ptbb/100

just think about this, for those of you that havent. how bad are you KILLING the games when you can still beat the rake at 4/100 and your villains for 8/100. thats like a 12 w/o rake.

but also think about playing live. the rake of a casino is around double that of online...not including tips. you have to win at about a 10/100 just to breakeven.

what a screw job. imo, you are playing pretty good, but think you are barely breakeven because of your PT #'s. thank god most other players absolutely SUCK.

LHE is a game where your skill keeps you breakeven until you hit your rush of random BS.

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01-07-2008, 08:59 PM

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XTR1000 is an unknown quantity at this point

42,748 hands at iPoker 05/1
2,411.59 MGR

= 2.8207 ptbb/100 ???

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01-07-2008, 09:17 PM

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BankItDrew will become famous soon enough

62k hands @ stars
$8.78/100 hands
or
4.39ptbb/100

I get about 35% rakeback too, so it's not that bad

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01-07-2008, 09:57 PM

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Here's my FR 10NL stats @ Stars before I withdrew most of my money.

32,000 hands
$3.03/100 or 12.29ptbb/100

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01-07-2008, 10:24 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by BankItDrew

62k hands @ stars
$8.78/100 hands
or
4.39ptbb/100

I get about 35% rakeback too, so it's not that bad

100nl or 200nl

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01-07-2008, 10:36 PM

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200nl fr.. sorry

Chopper

01-08-2008, 12:53 AM

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are you seriously still paying 5 bb/100 at 200NL? when does it drop off?

LHE is a game where your skill keeps you breakeven until you hit your rush of random BS.

Nothing beats flopping quads while dropping a duece!

BankItDrew

01-08-2008, 01:52 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Chopper

are you seriously still paying 5 bb/100 at 200NL? when does it drop off?

whoops again!

cut that amount in half, as I didn't consider poker tracker big bets.
so:

200nl FR @ Stars
62k hands
$8.78/100 hands
or
2.2ptbb/100

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