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09-13-2005, 02:30 PM
Post subject: Poker Stars Blunders kinda funny
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I hate when this happens:
PokerStars Game #2563555859: Tournament #12496592, Hold'em No Limit - Level III (25/50) - 2005/09/13 - 00:09:45 (ET)
Table '12496592 5' Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: scoobydoo78 (4080 in chips)
Seat 2: wkg128 (2770 in chips)
Seat 3: Flokinho (1900 in chips)
Seat 4: shysti (4130 in chips)
Seat 5: NYeagle1 (4155 in chips)
Seat 6: pk721 (2190 in chips)
Seat 7: LPHaRdRoCkEr (725 in chips)
Seat 8: T-vice (1005 in chips)
Seat 9: lakeday (1240 in chips)
pk721: posts small blind 25
LPHaRdRoCkEr: posts big blind 50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to shysti [8s As]
T-vice: calls 50
lakeday: folds
scoobydoo78: calls 50
wkg128: folds
Flokinho: calls 50
shysti: raises 1150 to 1200
NYeagle1: calls 1200
pk721: folds
shysti said, "um ****"
shysti said, "meant to make that 200"
shysti said, "haha"
shysti said, "doh!"
LPHaRdRoCkEr: folds
T-vice: folds
scoobydoo78: folds
Flokinho: folds
*** FLOP *** [Jd Js 7s]
shysti: bets 2930 and is all-in
NYeagle1: calls 2930
*** TURN *** [Jd Js 7s] [2s]
shysti said, "nice"
*** RIVER *** [Jd Js 7s 2s] [5d]
shysti said, "that'll work"
*** SHOW DOWN ***
shysti: shows [8s As] (a flush, Ace high)
NYeagle1: shows [Ac Jh] (three of a kind, Jacks)
shysti collected 8485 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 8485 | Rake 0
Board [Jd Js 7s 2s 5d]
Seat 1: scoobydoo78 folded before Flop
Seat 2: wkg128 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Flokinho folded before Flop
Seat 4: shysti showed [8s As] and won (8485) with a flush, Ace high
Seat 5: NYeagle1 (button) showed [Ac Jh] and lost with three of a kind, Jacks
Seat 6: pk721 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 7: LPHaRdRoCkEr (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: T-vice folded before Flop
Seat 9: lakeday folded before Flop (didn't bet)
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Why'd you throw the rest in on the flop?
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Loose call by your opp pre-flop. He deserved it
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Originally Posted by Irisheyes
Why'd you throw the rest in on the flop?
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well my reasoning was I wanted to protect my 1200 I accidentily threw in there and I was on a flush draw even though the board was paired I didn't put him on jack 7 to call that big of a raise so I put him on the ace jack. I knew he had 3 of a kind and If I were to hit the flush I would get paid, and turns out I was right so I threw the rest in.
Am I wrong in this thinking? I am trying to sharpen my game. I know these are only 1 tournys with 45 people but I've finished at the final table pretty consistently.
When I add money to my account I guess I'll play with bigger money games tournaments.
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It's a bad idea to do this. Your only going to hit the flush once every three times, the other two your out of the tournament. A 1/2 - 3/4 pot bet tells you if he has the J.
Read about pot odds here:
http://www.flopturnriver.com/start_pot_odds.html
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Here's another funny one:
PokerStars Game #2556499544: Tournament #12456912, Hold'em No Limit - Level X (400/800) - 2005/09/12 - 01:12:37 (ET)
Table '12456912 1' Seat #9 is the button
Seat 3: shysti (64280 in chips)
Seat 8: jmrgd (765 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 9: RGuinazzo (2455 in chips)
shysti: posts the ante 50
jmrgd: posts the ante 50
RGuinazzo: posts the ante 50
shysti: posts small blind 400
jmrgd: posts big blind 715 and is all-in
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to shysti [As 8h]
RGuinazzo: raises 885 to 1600
shysti: raises 885 to 2485
jmrgd: folds
RGuinazzo: calls 805 and is all-in
shysti said, "gg"
*** FLOP *** [7d 9d Ts]
*** TURN *** [7d 9d Ts] [5d]
shysti said, "i got your 8"
*** RIVER *** [7d 9d Ts 5d] [Jd]
shysti said, "lol damn"
*** SHOW DOWN ***
shysti: shows [As 8h] (a straight, Seven to Jack)
RGuinazzo: shows [Qh Js] (a pair of Jacks)
shysti said, "rivered"
shysti collected 3380 from side pot
shysti said, "oh i got the straight"
shysti collected 2295 from main pot
RGuinazzo [observer] said, "GG"
shysti [observer] said, "gg"
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 5675 Main pot 2295. Side pot 3380. | Rake 0
Board [7d 9d Ts 5d Jd]
Seat 3: shysti (small blind) showed [As 8h] and won (5675) with a straight, Seven to Jack
Seat 8: jmrgd (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 9: RGuinazzo (button) showed [Qh Js] and lost with a pair of Jacks
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Yup, done this a few times - watch me flail to explain my comments when I think I lose but then realise I won - "oh, I was saying "aaargh" in sympathy for you there, mate"
Not sure you're a very good poker player, though
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A8 is not a good hand.
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Originally Posted by Irisheyes
It's a bad idea to do this. Your only going to hit the flush once every three times, the other two your out of the tournament. A 1/2 - 3/4 pot bet tells you if he has the J.
Read about pot odds here:
http://www.flopturnriver.com/start_pot_odds.html
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Yeah I know my odds I am a gambler at times in tournies well because I believe you can't win it playing safe.
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Originally Posted by Les_Worm
A8 is not a good hand.
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Well what you aren't considering is the type of players I was up against, if you look at my chip stack and theirs you'll see I knew what type of hands I could play against them and get away with it.
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It's a bad idea to do this. Your only going to hit the flush once every three times, the other two your out of the tournament. A 1/2 - 3/4 pot bet tells you if he has the J.
Read about pot odds here:
http://www.flopturnriver.com/start_pot_odds.html
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Yeah I know my odds I am a gambler at times in tournies well because I believe you can't win it playing safe.
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Yea fair enough everyone has to win the odd coinflip or whatever on their way to win a MTT, but why put your money in when you are loosing? That is not the point of winning poker.
If you wan't to gamb00l go buy a scratch card.
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It's a bad idea to do this. Your only going to hit the flush once every three times, the other two your out of the tournament. A 1/2 - 3/4 pot bet tells you if he has the J.
Read about pot odds here:
http://www.flopturnriver.com/start_pot_odds.html
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Yeah I know my odds I am a gambler at times in tournies well because I believe you can't win it playing safe.
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Yea fair enough everyone has to win the odd coinflip or whatever on their way to win a MTT, but why put your money in when you are loosing? That is not the point of winning poker.
If you wan't to gamb00l go buy a scratch card.
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I don't gamble the entire tournament only when I have a feeling and I had one there. I am a gut player and it's done me pretty well I know the fundamentals of poker bub.
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PokerStars Game #2563429781: Tournament #12496592, Hold'em No Limit - Level II (15/30) - 2005/09/12 - 23:54:38 (ET)
Table '12496592 4' Seat #4 is the button
Seat 2: FastOnes (1945 in chips)
Seat 3: derandi (1280 in chips)
Seat 4: mgville (1625 in chips)
Seat 5: damjustjoe (1620 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 6: shysti (2280 in chips)
Seat 7: lowhurtz (1360 in chips)
Seat 8: texgirly (1470 in chips)
Seat 9: Wyaconda (460 in chips)
damjustjoe: posts small blind 15
shysti: posts big blind 30
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to shysti [Ks Tc]
lowhurtz: calls 30
texgirly: calls 30
Wyaconda: calls 30
FastOnes: folds
derandi: calls 30
mgville: raises 90 to 120
damjustjoe: folds
shysti: calls 90
lowhurtz: calls 90
texgirly: calls 90
Wyaconda: folds
derandi: calls 90
*** FLOP *** [5c Ad Kh]
shysti: checks
lowhurtz: checks
texgirly: checks
derandi: bets 60
mgville: folds
shysti: calls 60
lowhurtz: folds
texgirly: calls 60
*** TURN *** [5c Ad Kh] [Jd]
shysti: bets 250
texgirly: folds
derandi: calls 250
*** RIVER *** [5c Ad Kh Jd] [2d]
shysti: bets 650
derandi: folds
shysti collected 1325 from pot
shysti: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 1325 | Rake 0
Board [5c Ad Kh Jd 2d]
Seat 2: FastOnes folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: derandi folded on the River
Seat 4: mgville (button) folded on the Flop
Seat 5: damjustjoe (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: shysti (big blind) collected (1325)
Seat 7: lowhurtz folded on the Flop
Seat 8: texgirly folded on the Turn
Seat 9: Wyaconda folded before Flop
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It's a bad idea to do this. Your only going to hit the flush once every three times, the other two your out of the tournament. A 1/2 - 3/4 pot bet tells you if he has the J.
Read about pot odds here:
http://www.flopturnriver.com/start_pot_odds.html
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Yeah I know my odds I am a gambler at times in tournies well because I believe you can't win it playing safe.
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Yea fair enough everyone has to win the odd coinflip or whatever on their way to win a MTT, but why put your money in when you are loosing? That is not the point of winning poker.
If you wan't to gamb00l go buy a scratch card.
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Ok lets say I would of checked the flop, well knowing he had made a set, he would of probably checked too to slow play them not putting me on a draw, then the turn would of came with the spade either way I wasn't loosing this hand, and I didn't want to give him a free card to make his boat.
So I felt I did the right thing on this one. And last I checked a flush beats 3 of a kind so who's losing?
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It's a bad idea to do this. Your only going to hit the flush once every three times, the other two your out of the tournament. A 1/2 - 3/4 pot bet tells you if he has the J.
Read about pot odds here:
http://www.flopturnriver.com/start_pot_odds.html
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Yeah I know my odds I am a gambler at times in tournies well because I believe you can't win it playing safe.
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Yea fair enough everyone has to win the odd coinflip or whatever on their way to win a MTT, but why put your money in when you are loosing? That is not the point of winning poker.
If you wan't to gamb00l go buy a scratch card.
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I don't gamble the entire tournament only when I have a feeling and I had one there. I am a gut player and it's done me pretty well I know the fundamentals of poker bub.
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You reckon your gut can tell you when your flush is going to hit?
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It's a bad idea to do this. Your only going to hit the flush once every three times, the other two your out of the tournament. A 1/2 - 3/4 pot bet tells you if he has the J.
Read about pot odds here:
http://www.flopturnriver.com/start_pot_odds.html
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Yeah I know my odds I am a gambler at times in tournies well because I believe you can't win it playing safe.
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Yea fair enough everyone has to win the odd coinflip or whatever on their way to win a MTT, but why put your money in when you are loosing? That is not the point of winning poker.
If you wan't to gamb00l go buy a scratch card.
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I don't gamble the entire tournament only when I have a feeling and I had one there. I am a gut player and it's done me pretty well I know the fundamentals of poker bub.
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You reckon your gut can tell you when your flush is going to hit?
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Aye, I "reckon" I can. Ever heard of some people having great "ESP" I am one of those people.
Hell once I turned 100 bucks into 4500 in one setting playing mini baccarat just by listening to my gut
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I mean I know I am not that lucky so what could it be other than ESP. With the baccarat that is, not poker, I actually apply skill to that. lol
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My gut tells me things too,
like when I'm hungry.
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"I am a gut player and it's done me pretty well I know the fundamentals of poker bub."
Nice oxymoron! Can I play you soon?
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"I am a gut player and it's done me pretty well I know the fundamentals of poker bub."
Nice oxymoron! Can I play you soon?
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It's not an oxymoron. And yes you can I am always on poker stars at night find me either in the sit n goes multi tables or the heads up .
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Can't really comment on odds given your awesome gut's capability at predicting RNGs. But if we assume that your gut is in fact filled with vital organs instead of mystical hooha, calculation shows you to be a fool:
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pokenum -h as 8s - ac jh -- jd js 7s
Holdem Hi: 990 enumerated boards containing Js 7s Jd
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
As 8s 288 29.09 701 70.81 1 0.10 0.291
Ac Jh 701 70.81 288 29.09 1 0.10 0.709
And you can't really expect to post here about your guts magical contents without getting ridiculed. Folks here have made too much money off of people's magical entrails.
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Can't really comment on odds given your awesome gut's capability at predicting RNGs. But if we assume that your gut is in fact filled with vital organs instead of mystical hooha, calculation shows you to be a fool:
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lol, You just got number crunched.
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At least we know rilla was right about all the dead money heading to the tourneys.
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Can't really comment on odds given your awesome gut's capability at predicting RNGs. But if we assume that your gut is in fact filled with vital organs instead of mystical hooha, calculation shows you to be a fool:
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pokenum -h as 8s - ac jh -- jd js 7s
Holdem Hi: 990 enumerated boards containing Js 7s Jd
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
As 8s 288 29.09 701 70.81 1 0.10 0.291
Ac Jh 701 70.81 288 29.09 1 0.10 0.709
And you can't really expect to post here about your guts magical contents without getting ridiculed. Folks here have made too much money off of people's magical entrails.
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At least we know rilla was right about all the dead money heading to the tourneys.
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dead money my arse, I finish in the money more than I fizzle out of a tournament explain that.
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Look im not here to argue by the numbers you are correct, and yes I did get lucky. That wasn't the point.
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A8 is not a good hand.
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Well what you aren't considering is the type of players I was up against, if you look at my chip stack and theirs you'll see I knew what type of hands I could play against them and get away with it.
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A8 is not a good hand.
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but it was sooooted
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Do any of you guys take fold equity into consideration? What about the gap theory? Just because someone is raising A8 suited doesn't mean they're a fish. I do stuff like that all the time in the right spots.
When shysti jammed the flop on the flush draw, fold equity was definately taken into consideration. No one wants to race for the 33% draw. I know I don't, but when two jacks flop you got yourself some fold equity right there on top of the strong draw. Huge pot too. Go for it.
Stop knocking shysti when any of you might pull the same moves.
I'll tell ya why shysti is finishing well in tournaments. Shysti is at a table full of camping rocks who have no creativity whatsoever besides "hey look AA all in". Shysti is making moves stealing pots from tightwads like a person should be doing at high blind levels. A8 suited in the cutoff?... RAISE. She probably got called by AJ on the misclick raise because the huge raise was supicious. Otherwise she might have stolen the blinds.
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It's not what's inside that counts. Have you seen what's inside?
Internal organs. And they're getting uglier by the minute.
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Do any of you guys take fold equity into consideration? What about the gap theory? Just because someone is raising A8 suited doesn't mean they're a fish. I do stuff like that all the time in the right spots.
When shysti jammed the flop on the flush draw, fold equity was definately taken into consideration. No one wants to race for the 33% draw. I know I don't, but when two jacks flop you got yourself some fold equity right there on top of the strong draw. Huge pot too. Go for it.
Stop knocking shysti when any of you might pull the same moves.
I'll tell ya why shysti is finishing well in tournaments. Shysti is at a table full of camping rocks who have no creativity whatsoever besides "hey look AA all in". Shysti is making moves stealing pots from tightwads like a person should be doing at high blind levels. A8 suited in the cutoff?... RAISE.
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Thank you! I know I wasn't crazy in my way of playing. I am not wet behind the ears when it comes to this game. LIke I said earlier I knew my opponents that is one of the most important things I take into consideration when I do pull moves like this.
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Yes, but in this case it appears to be doing the (possibly) right thing for the wrong reasons.
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Do any of you guys take fold equity into consideration? What about the gap theory? Just because someone is raising A8 suited doesn't mean they're a fish. I do stuff like that all the time in the right spots.
When shysti jammed the flop on the flush draw, fold equity was definately taken into consideration. No one wants to race for the 33% draw. I know I don't, but when two jacks flop you got yourself some fold equity right there on top of the strong draw. Huge pot too. Go for it.
Stop knocking shysti when any of you might pull the same moves.
I'll tell ya why shysti is finishing well in tournaments. Shysti is at a table full of camping rocks who have no creativity whatsoever besides "hey look AA all in". Shysti is making moves stealing pots from tightwads like a person should be doing at high blind levels. A8 suited in the cutoff?... RAISE. She probably got called by AJ on the misclick raise because the huge raise was supicious. Otherwise she might have stolen the blinds.
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Oh I am a HE btw. haha. shysti is a nick for SHIESTY. Meaning very undermining and cunning, sneaky.
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Yes, but in this case it appears to be doing the (possibly) right thing for the wrong reasons.
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i wasnt implying there was anything wrong with the play i definately would have and have done the same thing except i got destacked when the board paired tens, i was only making a joke, sorry if i offended anyone.
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I wasn't offended. I just had too much coffee today.
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It's not what's inside that counts. Have you seen what's inside?
Internal organs. And they're getting uglier by the minute.
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Originally Posted by Rondavu
Do any of you guys take fold equity into consideration? What about the gap theory? Just because someone is raising A8 suited doesn't mean they're a fish. I do stuff like that all the time in the right spots.
When shysti jammed the flop on the flush draw, fold equity was definately taken into consideration. No one wants to race for the 33% draw. I know I don't, but when two jacks flop you got yourself some fold equity right there on top of the strong draw. Huge pot too. Go for it.
Stop knocking shysti when any of you might pull the same moves.
I'll tell ya why shysti is finishing well in tournaments. Shysti is at a table full of camping rocks who have no creativity whatsoever besides "hey look AA all in". Shysti is making moves stealing pots from tightwads like a person should be doing at high blind levels. A8 suited in the cutoff?... RAISE. She probably got called by AJ on the misclick raise because the huge raise was supicious. Otherwise she might have stolen the blinds.
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I never called him a fish. I said A8 was not a good hand and I stand by that. In the first hand preflop is fine but you don't have to risk all of your chips in that spot on the flop if you are trying to get a fold. You can bet like 800-1000 chips and get the same result. The second hand there is a raise UTG and he reraises w/ A8. Thats not a good play. I understand what the results were but you can't focus on results. If you missed your flush on the first hand and don't make a straight in the second hand would you ever consider posting these hands? I mean, this is the strategy forum, where is the strategy in this post?
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Look at it this way, reverse the roles, you see me put in a big raise you call with the AJos, then you see the flop gives you a set and you see the flush draw out there, now say I would of checked, what would you of done at this point?
Say you checked too to get me to bet at you, then on the turn comes the spade and you see the flush out there, now you see that that flush beats your set and all of a sudden I come all in, now what do you do? You already invested huge chips into a big pot very early into the tournament, do you let this guy push you around? Or you fold and take a big hit to your stack ?
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Originally Posted by Rondavu
Do any of you guys take fold equity into consideration? What about the gap theory? Just because someone is raising A8 suited doesn't mean they're a fish. I do stuff like that all the time in the right spots.
When shysti jammed the flop on the flush draw, fold equity was definately taken into consideration. No one wants to race for the 33% draw. I know I don't, but when two jacks flop you got yourself some fold equity right there on top of the strong draw. Huge pot too. Go for it.
Stop knocking shysti when any of you might pull the same moves.
I'll tell ya why shysti is finishing well in tournaments. Shysti is at a table full of camping rocks who have no creativity whatsoever besides "hey look AA all in". Shysti is making moves stealing pots from tightwads like a person should be doing at high blind levels. A8 suited in the cutoff?... RAISE. She probably got called by AJ on the misclick raise because the huge raise was supicious. Otherwise she might have stolen the blinds.
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I never called him a fish. I said A8 was not a good hand and I stand by that. In the first hand preflop is fine but you don't have to risk all of your chips in that spot on the flop if you are trying to get a fold. You can bet like 800-1000 chips and get the same result. The second hand there is a raise UTG and he reraises w/ A8. Thats not a good play. I understand what the results were but you can't focus on results. If you missed your flush on the first hand and don't make a straight in the second hand would you ever consider posting these hands? I mean, this is the strategy forum, where is the strategy in this post?
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I was trying to get a call, like I said in just that ONE particular case that I posted I had a feeling I would hit the flush. I know how to bet to make him fold trust me.
Anyhow there was plenty of strategy in this in that I had made a mistake with my bet and was now trying to recover from it by making him make the mistake, which he did.
Remember poker is a game of making correct decisions. He failed to do that.
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I mean lets examine that bet, sure it looked suspicious but what if I had made that raise with pocket rockets? He would of been an underdog then too. With Kings I was a small favorite. Either way even with my A8 he was in for a race.
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Ok lets say I would of checked the flop, well knowing he had made a set, he would of probably checked too to slow play them not putting me on a draw, then the turn would of came with the spade either way I wasn't loosing this hand, and I didn't want to give him a free card to make his boat.
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I think thats evidence enough that while many good players might make this play (attempted blind steal, semi bluff with the nut draw to gain fold equity on a paired flop) it's pretty obvious that THIS particular play was made for the wrong reasons.
You knew he had flopped a set? *boggle* How?
When you are BEHIND in a hand and not the FAVORITE, you are the one who wants the free cards, you don't need to give the guy who is a 72% favorite a free card to make his boat to beat your ace high...He already has a set, you have a draw.
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well my reasoning was I wanted to protect my 1200 I accidentily threw in there and I was on a flush draw even though the board was paired I didn't put him on jack 7 to call that big of a raise so I put him on the ace jack. I knew he had 3 of a kind and If I were to hit the flush I would get paid, and turns out I was right so I threw the rest in.
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Wtf is that? He hasnt acted on the flop yet. How can you put him on a hand that connected to the flop? You threw the rest in absolutely needlessly. This play is the equivalent of folding AA pre flop. It is never ever under any circumstances the best possible play. Lead out 1000 and if he has nothing he'll fold. If he has something he will push and you can save yourself half your stack. If you throw the rest in and he DID connect the flop, you're way behind, and you lose the tournament...This is silly. This thread gives me a headache.
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Look at it this way, reverse the roles, you see me put in a big raise you call with the AJos, then you see the flop gives you a set and you see the flush draw out there, now say I would of checked, what would you of done at this point?
Say you checked too to get me to bet at you, then on the turn comes the spade and you see the flush out there, now you see that that flush beats your set and all of a sudden I come all in, now what do you do? You already invested huge chips into a big pot very early into the tournament, do you let this guy push you around? Or you fold and take a big hit to your stack ?
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1. I don't call a big raise w/ AJ
2. If you check on flop there is no way I check behind w/ a flush draw out there.
3. If I was dumb enough to check and give you a free card, I have to fold and take a hit to my stack because I am not making a stubborn call and busting out.
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Anyhow there was plenty of strategy in this in that I had made a mistake with my bet and was now trying to recover from it by making him make the mistake, which he did.
Remember poker is a game of making correct decisions. He failed to do that.
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He made the correct decision and you sucked out. He had 3 jacks, there is no way he is folding.
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Hey les worm who is that in your picture?
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Hey les worm who is that in your picture?
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haha thats all ive been paying attention too, inquiring minds want to know.
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Look at it this way, reverse the roles, you see me put in a big raise you call with the AJos, then you see the flop gives you a set and you see the flush draw out there, now say I would of checked, what would you of done at this point?
Say you checked too to get me to bet at you, then on the turn comes the spade and you see the flush out there, now you see that that flush beats your set and all of a sudden I come all in, now what do you do? You already invested huge chips into a big pot very early into the tournament, do you let this guy push you around? Or you fold and take a big hit to your stack ?
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1. I don't call a big raise w/ AJ
2. If you check on flop there is no way I check behind w/ a flush draw out there.
3. If I was dumb enough to check and give you a free card, I have to fold and take a hit to my stack because I am not making a stubborn call and busting out.
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Well this guy didn't have the same reasoning you did or else I wouldn't of played it the way I did with him, he was easy bait.
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Hey les worm who is that in your picture?
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Well this guy didn't have the same reasoning you did or else I wouldn't of played it the way I did with him, he was easy bait.
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Yea, you really baited him into making an extremely good decision. Go you
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I was trying to get a call, like I said in just that ONE particular case that I posted I had a feeling I would hit the flush. I know how to bet to make him fold trust me.
Anyhow there was plenty of strategy in this in that I had made a mistake with my bet and was now trying to recover from it by making him make the mistake, which he did.
Remember poker is a game of making correct decisions. He failed to do that.
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You just made me look really stupid for defending you. He made the correct decision by calling. You failed to by pushing. Feelings schmeelings. there's no room for crystal balls in hold-em. Only intuation based on knowledge of the game. If you put the guy on AJ, then you should have never pushed, since your fold equity was squat.
Not to mention he was counterfeiting some of your flush outs.
You sucked out Jr.
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Summary:
You made a mistake pre flop with a misclick. Understandable.
You knew through psychic powers what cards your opponent held.
You knew your own cards.
You knew he would call if you pushed.
You did it anyway.
Psychic powers worked out because you knew the two of spades was going to fall on the turn.'
You win at poker.
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whew, you had me worried for a sec, Rondavu.
what I'm confused about is just below the original post you say:
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Am I wrong in this thinking? I am trying to sharpen my game.
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But now, despite being illuminated both mathematically and anecdotally, you are defending your play based on ESP... which is fine, more power to you (more money to me), but surely you didn't expect people to say "Oh, good call, ESP is always right."
I mean, if you knew what he had, and knew the flush was coming, and knew his FH was not, why post this at all?
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