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Frizzle02

10-27-2005, 09:23 PM Post subject: Please Review...Is driving me crazy

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#Game No : 2865053132
***** Hand History for Game 2865053132 *****
$25 NL Texas Hold'em - Thursday, October 27, 18:10:58 EDT 2005
Table Table 36664 (Real Money)
Seat 4 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: matdiddy22 ( $57.37 )
Seat 3: NordHawaii ( $35.45 )
Seat 4: DarrelDicken ( $6.60 )
Seat 5: pgl47 ( $24.75 )
Seat 6: vegasdump2 ( $24.15 )
Seat 7: Psychobilly7 ( $18.20 )
Seat 8: jagguudada ( $4.60 )
Seat 9: martin_t ( $25 )
Seat 10: fruktmusli ( $14.03 )
Seat 2: Mr_Freese02 ( $25 )
pgl47 posts small blind [$0.10].
vegasdump2 posts big blind [$0.25].
Mr_Freese02 is reconnected and has 20 seconds to respond.
Mr_Freese02 posts big blind [$0.25].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Mr_Freese02 [ Ah Qd ]
Psychobilly7 folds.
jagguudada folds.
fruktmusli folds.
matdiddy22 folds.
Mr_Freese02 raises [$0.75].
NordHawaii folds.
DarrelDicken folds.
pgl47 folds.
vegasdump2 calls [$0.75].
** Dealing Flop ** [ Qh, Jh, 9c ]
vegasdump2 checks.
Mr_Freese02 bets [$2].
vegasdump2 calls [$2].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 4d ]
vegasdump2 checks.
Mr_Freese02 bets [$6].
vegasdump2 raises [$12].
Mr_Freese02 calls [$6].
** Dealing River ** [ 6c ]
>You have options at Table 36568 Table!.
vegasdump2 bets [$8].
Mr_Freese02 folds.
vegasdump2 does not show cards.
vegasdump2 wins $36.60
Game #2865055446 starts.

I probably shouldnt called the raise on the turn, but TPTK looks so good.

Was it wrong to fold at the end, cause i was pot commited?

Was i Beat?

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Fnord

10-27-2005, 09:28 PM

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AQo? Loosening up are we? ok I'll be nice....

With no other information, I'm all-in on the turn. Too many hands will play like that out of the blinds that we beat. Calling $6 on the turn, then folding for $8 more on a blank river is pretty bad. Once he raises the turn it's decision time and given the texture of our hand + board it's looking like shove or fold.

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mxiu

10-27-2005, 09:51 PM

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Why would you call 6 on the turn but fold to the 8 on the river? Were you hoping an ace or queen would fall or something? Make the decision early so it won't cost you chips like this.

Kiriath

10-27-2005, 09:55 PM

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at 100 nl I fold to the reraise on turn. since u call u should also call the tiny river bet.

Frizzle02

10-27-2005, 09:56 PM

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Yes, i know it was bad to call the raise on the turn, just to fold on the river...i said that alrdy.

And yes i just wanted to hit another queen.

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Fnord

10-27-2005, 10:03 PM

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at 100 nl I fold to the reraise on turn.

My hand reading skills in these games is still weak. But I'll walk you through what I'm thinking.

We raised as an unknown out of the newbie blind with a meaty 4x. The BB thinks he's in a defense situation because he would expect another unknown to raise a lot of hands here. Plus it's a good excuse to call and play a hand out of position and players always like that.

If he thinks we're full of shit, how often is this a semi-bluff? With Tx is he pretty much always playing the flop fast if he's going to make a move? Could this just be a pair playing the turn?

Then again, it sure looks like a loose/passive monster line.

The lack of any information on this play and being unable to rep a strong hand complicates figuring out where we're at here. As the first hand, I'm inclined to just gamble it up with 1/3 of our stack already in there.

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Frizzle02

10-27-2005, 10:16 PM

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Thank you Fnord for clarifying that.

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TalentedTom

10-28-2005, 02:28 AM

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I suggest moving down a level and toughening up your game, too many people here lay TPTK to a very weak bet. The river offers you 11:2 ( $8 to call $44) odds on a call, very ez call although I personally do think you are beaten ~50% of the time, this flop texture in general is very dangerous and hit most hands that are worth calling with. But he is a smallstack, I find at lower levels the people who buy in for less than the max are there to gamble rather than grind it out so against a guy with 49BB's I put him all in on the turn.

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renegaderob1

10-28-2005, 03:19 AM

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But he is a smallstack, I find at lower levels the people who buy in for less than the max are there to gamble

...?

It's 25NL and villian has $24.15...

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10-28-2005, 05:10 AM

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given that you know you needed to fold the turn, yes you were beat on the river, and calling would be dependent solely on the table and what you thought of him. I'm probably only calling if i put him in the bottom 25% of players.

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10-29-2005, 12:04 AM

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I think you were beat on the turn, and another queen was just a trap card. It wouldn't improve you to the best hand.

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Call the river or fold the turn.

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10-29-2005, 01:55 AM

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Quote:

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But he is a smallstack, I find at lower levels the people who buy in for less than the max are there to gamble

...?

It's 25NL and villian has $24.15...

O crap my mistake, I thought it was 50NL

Tom.S

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10-29-2005, 03:14 AM

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Why are you all so sure that he is beat?
I call the turn and river.

How often do you have to win to make a profit?
14/44

To win in poker you only need to be one step ahead of your opponents. Two steps may be detrimental.

Fnord

10-29-2005, 04:40 AM

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Why are you all so sure that he is beat?

BECAUSE HIS OPPONENT RAISED THE TURN THEREFORE HE HAS A SET AND WE NEED TO LAYDOWN BEFORE WE GO BROKE!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBvge-c2_Xg
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10-29-2005, 11:17 AM

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Quote:

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Demiparadigm

Why are you all so sure that he is beat?

BECAUSE HIS OPPONENT RAISED THE TURN THEREFORE HE HAS A SET AND WE NEED TO LAYDOWN BEFORE WE GO BROKE!

Very likely
its 25nl and they only bet with a good hand at you. I make the turn bet then fold to the reraise. Unless your opp is aggro and/or loose in which case id think about calling both, but id bet you're beat here by two pair/set rather than anything else

Frizzle02

10-29-2005, 04:17 PM

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Quote:

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Demiparadigm

Why are you all so sure that he is beat?

BECAUSE HIS OPPONENT RAISED THE TURN THEREFORE HE HAS A SET AND WE NEED TO LAYDOWN BEFORE WE GO BROKE!

I was feeling a set also...I just couldnt part with TPTK and get bullied around. Bad call on the turn.

Thanks again for all the comments.

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Kiriath

10-30-2005, 01:39 AM

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Fnord got it. =9

I find that like 3/4 times they got at LEAST two pair when they minreraise into an agressor like this.

So I basicly just fold theese kind hands in theese kinda situations, every time.

oh and let me add, the 75% figure is based on an estimate. I aint got any facts to back it with. Just 100.000+ hands general "feeling".

Kiriath

10-30-2005, 01:47 AM

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Quote:

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Why are you all so sure that he is beat?
I call the turn and river.

How often do you have to win to make a profit?
14/44

thats only cause he makes such a weak riverbet, most decent players halfpot it on the river or so.

Greedo017

10-30-2005, 06:02 AM

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Quote:

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Demiparadigm

Why are you all so sure that he is beat?
I call the turn and river.

How often do you have to win to make a profit?
14/44

thats only cause he makes such a weak riverbet, most decent players halfpot it on the river or so.

that would be quite the riverbet if he halfpotted it considering 8 bucks basically puts him all-in

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