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Pants_101
Old 05-22-2007, 09:35 PM     Post subject: Please advise ($10 NL) #1 (permalink)  
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UTG+1 is 21/5 with WTSD 10%
CO is 60/20 with WTSD 22% and has been very aggressive on the flop making big bets and raising people. Saw him get it all in on the flop and showed down nothing much at all.

I decided I was favourite against either of them and decided to make a big move. Was it a good play or is this kind of thing donkish?

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Stack sizes:
UTG: $10.15
UTG+1: $5.84
MP1: $9.64
MP2: $4.75
MP3: $15.30
CO: $11.88
Hero: $13.18
SB: $9.90
BB: $2.15

Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is Button with 8 J
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, 2 folds, MP3 calls, CO raises to $0.2, Hero calls, 2 folds, UTG+1 calls, MP3 calls.

Flop: 4 8 2 ($0.95, 4 players)
UTG+1 bets $0.5, MP3 folds, CO raises to $2, [color=#cc0000]Hero raises all-in $12.98
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Old 05-22-2007, 10:39 PM #2 (permalink)  
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ah yes the min-raise - Don't call a min-raise with this hand - If your sick of him doing this, pop him up - make it .40 or .50cents to go - if he calls and leads out like this here, fold and wait for a better spot -

unless you see him making good laydowns, you can wait for better spots to get him all in on - flop a set and nail him then - there are enough of these players at 10NL and they are trying to learn to be aggro and bet people out - Which is good - But you want to be the one doing the betting against these guys...in this case, J,8 off isn't the way to do it -

I like to limp with suited cards and low pp's against the super LAGs at this level and hit flops - they will pay you off plenty -

bottom line is don't get in a pissing contest with J8off - its not what you want to show up with when its showdown time...
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Old 05-23-2007, 12:18 AM #3 (permalink)  
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Yeah, easy fold preflop with J8o particularly with two limpers in front.
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Old 05-23-2007, 09:18 AM #4 (permalink)  
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You make good points, I just tend to play loose on the button. Anywhere else and I muck the hand. What do you think of post-flop? I'm only really scared of a set or an overpair with a diamond right? Anything else and I'm flipping or better, and I've seen him call an all in with a vague draw. My read is that his raise does not necessarily indicate any great strength at all, it's likely a bluff or a semi-bluff draw. It's high variance but with $3.50 already in the pot I'm still inclined to think it's an ok play, but maybe I'm kidding myself Anyone got any further thoughts?
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Old 05-23-2007, 04:16 PM #5 (permalink)  
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 meh, it's probably ok but there is no need for these kind of moves at 10NL. It's not going to affect the way he plays against you so you are gaining very little
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Old 05-23-2007, 06:02 PM #6 (permalink)  
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meh, it's probably ok but there is no need for these kind of moves at 10NL. It's not going to affect the way he plays against you so you are gaining very little
Well I'm not trying to change how he plays, rather I'm trying to take advantage of it. Is this not the goal of a poker player? My belief is that this is a +ev play and +ev is surely the right move at any level. However I haven't had any positive feedback at all so maybe I'm wrong and its -ev
When you say I'm gaining little do you mean it's because it's close and I won't come out ahead by much in the long run?
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