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Old 06-24-2006, 04:04 PM     Post subject: Playing scared with a set. #1 (permalink)  
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 Villain is a standard nit.


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$200 NL Texas Hold'em - Friday, June 23, 17:28:15 ET 2006
Table Table 95487 (Real Money)
Seat 8 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 3: jdalley2003 ( $309.12 )
Seat 4: tacotaylor ( $410.35 )
Seat 10: ATLrealtor ( $204 )
Seat 6: Beelzeboz0 ( $278.05 )
Seat 1: Bariel ( $177.70 )
Seat 8: Jimi ( $177.30 )
Seat 9: Joroy90 ( $218.60 )
Seat 7: apnguyen3 ( $166.55 )
Seat 2: mikla555 ( $200 )
Seat 5: twgntv ( $176 )
Joroy90 posts small blind [$1].
ATLrealtor posts big blind [$2].

** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Beelzeboz0 [ 3d 3c ]

Bariel calls [$2].
mikla555 folds.
jdalley2003 folds.
tacotaylor folds.
twgntv folds.
Beelzeboz0 raises [$9].
Jimi folds.
Joroy90 calls [$8].
ATLrealtor folds.
Bariel folds.

** Dealing Flop ** [ 9h, Jd, 4d ]

Joroy90 checks.
Beelzeboz0 checks.

** Dealing Turn ** [ 3h ]

Joroy90 checks.
Beelzeboz0 bets [$13].
Joroy90 raises [$26].
Beelzeboz0 calls [$13].

** Dealing River ** [ 4s ]

Joroy90 bets [$45].
Beelzeboz0 calls [$45].




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Old 06-24-2006, 05:41 PM #2 (permalink)  
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You're playing scared with a boat. I think flop is ok, turn is debatable. River is a raise, no?
 
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Old 06-24-2006, 05:44 PM #3 (permalink)  
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Old 06-24-2006, 05:51 PM #4 (permalink)  
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 A nit doesn't check down an overpair on a draw heavy board.

My thoughts were this is either air or something that beats bottom set. Either way I saw no point in raising the river. To me, calling > folding > raising.

The fact that I have a boat as opposed to a set is virtually irrelevant IMO.
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Old 06-24-2006, 05:55 PM #5 (permalink)  
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The fact that I have a boat as opposed to a set is virtually irrelevant IMO.
Just being nitpicky is all. While I'm picking nits, I think you have the <'s backwards.

Anyway, I see your point. J9 is the only credible hand here you beat.
 
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Old 06-24-2006, 06:00 PM #6 (permalink)  
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If your read is accurate, it looks like a river raise is only getting called if you're beat.
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Old 06-24-2006, 06:02 PM #7 (permalink)  
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minraise the river, fold to a push.
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Old 06-24-2006, 06:13 PM #8 (permalink)  
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 the only thing that is concievably beating you is JJ, 99, and 44. However it is really hard to put him on another hand, so i don't mind a call.
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Old 06-24-2006, 07:59 PM #9 (permalink)  
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 Yeah, with you calling his c/r on the turn and him betting out on the river, he's only calling a raise if you're beat.

I'd hate to see him check/minraise a draw and hit the river, so I probably re-reraise on the turn, is this a bad idea?

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Old 06-24-2006, 08:06 PM #10 (permalink)  
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, so I probably re-reraise on the turn, is this a bad idea?
Theres a long thread I started about this, but my personal sentiment is I very very rarely bet/3bet. IMO it only unveils the strength of your hand while tightening the calling range of villain on later streets.

I only think bet/3betting is appropriate on draw heavy boards, in deep stack confrontations, or on the river for value.
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Old 06-24-2006, 08:30 PM #11 (permalink)  
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Would he check a set twice to you? I would think that on the flop that if he had a set then checking to the PFRer would be almost standard, but on the turn I dont think he is going to check again. Could he view your turn bet as simply a delayed continuation bet? I think this could be air very often which would make raising fairly pointless, I just think this line is a little weird for a set, Im not sure what I would put him on really.
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Old 06-29-2006, 05:59 AM #12 (permalink)  
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I think a call is fine;bottom set/boat is def worth a showdown.
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