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zook

04-15-2007, 09:53 PM Post subject: Playing flopped trips for value

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Villain is an unknown. I put him on Kx/worse Q/flush or str8 draw. Do we make a big raise to charge flush draws and get value from worse Q's or call and get value from K's?

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Button ($388)
SB ($62)
BB ($453.25)
UTG ($191.60)
Hero ($420.90)
MP1 ($400) sitting out
MP2 ($107.90)
MP3 ($400)
CO ($295.70)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with Q

, J

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1 fold, Hero raises to $14, 5 folds, BB calls $10.

Flop: ($30) K

, Q

(3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $24, BB raises to $54, Hero...

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Vi-Zer0Skill

04-16-2007, 02:32 AM

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An Ace, Nine, or a diamond is going to either:
Reduce your action against worse Q-x hands and probably shut down any actions against K-x hands.
Improve your opponents hand

4 Aces + 4 Nines + 11 Diamonds - 3 = 16 "Outs"
(subtracting 3 outs due to the fact that a few are likely dead)

Odds that one of the 16 cards will hit the turn: ~25%
Odds that one of the 16 cards will hit the turn or river: ~50%
Odds that one of the 16 cards will hit the turn and river: ~6%
Odds that none of the 16 card will hit the turn or river: ~50%

With those percentages in mind, i say...

Call on the flop, shove the turn. You maximize value against K-x, who will probably put in another bet on the turn but might not on the river. You make it more likely that Q-x will play for stacks, since one of the scare cards will only hit ~33% of the time, and they will be quite invested in the pot after another big bet. Also, against draws you will probably get a smaller blocking bet out of them, and then you can push them out of the pot.

If the scare card does hit on the turn, i would call a reasonable turn bet and fold to a bet on the river.

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04-16-2007, 05:05 AM

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When in doubt whether to be tricky or not with a good hand i tend to just go by my own rule: raise/bet. It's a really tricky situation but there are draws and outs for opp if he's losing so its better just to raise.

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takesix

04-16-2007, 06:26 AM Post subject: Re: Playing flopped trips for value

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Like 1/3 of the deck sucks for you. Plus those rare times its an 8 of spades and he has 88. Raise his ass, $200.

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