Poker Forum

Over 1,247,000 Posts!

REGISTER
Subscribe to FTR web feed
Already Registered?      Username:    Password:   Remember      Forgot Password

Poker Forum

  > 

Full Ring NL Hold'em

  > 

Playing aces on a 2-suited flop.

  
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
jogonz667
Old 10-16-2007, 10:11 PM     Post subject: Playing aces on a 2-suited flop. #1 (permalink)  

Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 5
jogonz667
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

Hero ($5.28)
UTG ($4.92)
UTG+1 ($4.75)
MP1 ($5.49)
MP2 ($2.50)
MP3 ($1.69)
CO ($6.09)
Button ($16.15)
SB ($3.54)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A, A.
6 folds, Button calls $0.05, 1 fold, Hero raises to $0.2, Button calls $0.15.

Flop: ($0.42) 5, 8, 9 (2 players)
Hero bets $0.28, Button calls $0.28.

Turn: ($0.98) 4 (2 players)
Hero bets $0.9, Button calls $0.90.

River: ($2.78) 2 (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $3, Hero????

Ok I need some deep scrutiny.

I've been running crappy today and yesterday, so decided to stick with AOKrongly's 19 hand 'performace poker' strategy.

Maybe the pre-flop raise was a BB too short, but in every poker book I've read, "Aces is a great hand heads up".

So the flop comes, and I do my normal cbet of over 1/2 the pot, so the flush draw doesn't have odds (yep - I'm an under-aggressive cash game fish).

At this point I'm putting him on a flush draw, but as this is only my 10th hand on the table and I've never met this player before, I really have no idea.

So when the turn doesn't show the 3rd heart, I decided to bet just a fraction under the pot, thinking: surely he has to throw the A-x suited.
When he called, I was 99.9% sure he had a flush draw, as a set, straight or two pair are all re-raising here. So when the 3rd heart came on the river, I knew I shoulda just put a 0.60 bet in on the flop.

So I check, and he raises me just under all-in (I have no idea why). From my reading it seems obvious what to do (and aokrongly's sheet says: If in doubt, fold).
______________

What should I learn from this experience? To be more aggressive with my bets? From a pot odds point of view I thought it was pretty sound poker, but obviously not... I'm starting to think that if I can't get aokrongly's basic strategy right, I should give up while I'm still (just) up on my deposit.
Reply With Quote

Play for FREE and practice your game at...

Join the FTR Poker Forum to disable these banners and start posting!
martindcx1e
Old 10-16-2007, 10:56 PM #2 (permalink)  
martindcx1e's Avatar
4-of-a-Kind

Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 3,614
martindcx1e
Flop is fine. You don't need to (almost) pot the turn. On the river either block bet or c/c a small bet. Fold as played.

Also, you should not just blow everyone out of the pot when there's a possibility of a draw. You make money in the longrun off of bad players chasing with bad odds. You don't make as much by forcing everyone to fold worse hands by overbetting.
Wikipedia is the best thing ever. Anyone in the world can write anything they want about any subject. So you know you are getting the best possible information.
 
Reply With Quote
Fnord
Old 10-16-2007, 11:01 PM #3 (permalink)  
Fnord's Avatar
Moderator

Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: I'll Do You Like A Truck
Posts: 19,334
Fnord is an unknown quantity at this point
Send a message via MSN to Fnord
You played this hand very poorly. It feels like you made "standard" plays and didn't think things through.

Raise bigger pre-flop. I would go at least 5x, probably 6x or 8x if you can get away with it. You must account for being out of position here and shouldn't be making dinky raises in this spot.

On the flop I would just pot it, particularly if it can set-up a turn shove.

Finally, stop putting people on flush draws heads-up.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBvge-c2_Xg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-Xz8aLuD7Y
 
Reply With Quote
daven
Old 10-17-2007, 03:45 AM #4 (permalink)  
Straight Flush

Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: soaking up ethanol, moving on up
Posts: 5,807
daven will become famous soon enough
 raise more pre-flop. To $0.35 or something. Raise flop closer to pot.
As played turn raise is fine, river I'm not sure, but gotta fold to that raise as played. I think 44 or 22 is more likely than the flush.
don't raise with the straight flush bro, nobody ever gonna call that shit
allin, reload, repeat

please read: http://www.philgalfond.com/lets-make-some-changes/
 
Reply With Quote
Renton
Old 10-17-2007, 04:35 AM #5 (permalink)  
Renton's Avatar
Straight Flush

Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Atlanta, GA, USA
Posts: 5,991
Renton will become famous soon enough
 i'd raise a little more pre and bet more on the flop.

As played i think at these stakes you can bet like 1.6 on the river and fold to a shove.
Reply With Quote
jogonz667
Old 10-17-2007, 07:30 PM #6 (permalink)  

Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 5
jogonz667
Thanks for the replies... From now on I will definitely raise more pre-flop when in the blinds with premiums.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Fnord
Finally, stop putting people on flush draws heads-up.
What should I have put him on instead? J10 / A9 / PP? Or do you think he already made his hand, i.e flopped a set/straight (though as mentioned in the original post, he surely wouldn't want to risk the 3rd heart coming on the river).
Reply With Quote
martindcx1e
Old 10-17-2007, 07:50 PM #7 (permalink)  
martindcx1e's Avatar
4-of-a-Kind

Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 3,614
martindcx1e
I really don't know what the big deal is with your preflop raise size. It doesn't matter if you raise to .20 or .25 imo and raising more than that is pointless unless you are actually wanting to just take down the blinds with your AA. Also, it is perfectly fine to put villain on a flush draw. I don't know what fnord's deal is with that.
Wikipedia is the best thing ever. Anyone in the world can write anything they want about any subject. So you know you are getting the best possible information.
 
Reply With Quote
Fnord
Old 10-17-2007, 07:59 PM #8 (permalink)  
Fnord's Avatar
Moderator

Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: I'll Do You Like A Truck
Posts: 19,334
Fnord is an unknown quantity at this point
Send a message via MSN to Fnord
Quote:
Originally Posted by martindcx1e
Also, it is perfectly fine to put villain on a flush draw. I don't know what fnord's deal is with that.
In heads-up pots, inexperienced players vastly over-estimate how often your opponent is actually on a flush draw.

Heads-up I make a point of not paying too much attention to suites.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBvge-c2_Xg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-Xz8aLuD7Y
 
Reply With Quote
martindcx1e
Old 10-17-2007, 08:35 PM #9 (permalink)  
martindcx1e's Avatar
4-of-a-Kind

Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 3,614
martindcx1e
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fnord
Quote:
Originally Posted by martindcx1e
Also, it is perfectly fine to put villain on a flush draw. I don't know what fnord's deal is with that.
In heads-up pots, inexperienced players vastly over-estimate how often your opponent is actually on a flush draw.

Heads-up I make a point of not paying too much attention to suites.
hmm i guess a lot of ppl do just assume a cbet call on 2-suited flops means a flush draw.
Wikipedia is the best thing ever. Anyone in the world can write anything they want about any subject. So you know you are getting the best possible information.
 
Reply With Quote
Fnord
Old 10-17-2007, 08:41 PM #10 (permalink)  
Fnord's Avatar
Moderator

Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: I'll Do You Like A Truck
Posts: 19,334
Fnord is an unknown quantity at this point
Send a message via MSN to Fnord
Quote:
Originally Posted by martindcx1e
hmm i guess a lot of ppl do just assume a cbet call on 2-suited flops means a flush draw.
Most of my opponents who aren't known to be passive raise there.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBvge-c2_Xg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-Xz8aLuD7Y
 
Reply With Quote
Reply
Latest Poker News
KoRnholio Old 05-26-2012, 03:08 PM    Australia Legalized Online Poker coming up in next 6 to 12 Months
According to an email sent out by Mark Bryan, a gaming analyst at Merrill Lynch, the Australian government plans to legalize online poker sometime in the next six to 12 months. This move will coincide ...

« Previous Thread | Next Thread »
Thread Tools
Display Modes
Linear Mode Linear Mode

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


All times are GMT. The time now is 01:59 PM.

Contact Us - Archive - Top

FTR Testimonials

All content
© FlopTurnRiver.com 		Advertising  |   Partners  |   Testimonials  |   T&C  |   Contact Us  |   FTR News & Press  |   Site Map  |   Search FTR

Full Tilt  |   Titan Poker  |   UltimateBet  |   Poker Stars  |   Ladbrokes Bonus  |   Sportsbook  |   Cake Poker  

Play Texas Holdem Online, Online Texas Holdem Strategy, & Poker Forum
This is not a gambling website.