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Da GOAT

02-10-2007, 06:07 PM Post subject: PF question JJ 25NL, do i RR?

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Im taking a similar line to QQ when i play JJ. should i just call like id do with TT usually? RR at 25NL seem to get alot of respect and id do it with AQ also against opp who arent very very tight.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ Hero (10 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

UTG+1 ($26.10)
UTG+2 ($6.40)
MP1 ($11.35)
MP2 ($37.60)
MP3 ($33.45)
CO ($9.30)
Button ($26.25)
SB ($24.75)
Hero ($25.25)
UTG ($29.70)

Preflop: Hero is BB with J

, J

. SB posts a blind of $0.10.
5 folds, MP3 raises to $1, 2 folds, Hero raises to $2.75, MP3 calls $2.

Flop: ($6.10) 4

, 3

, K

(3 players)
Hero bets $4, MP3 raises to $14, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $24.10

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Miffed22001

02-10-2007, 08:01 PM

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make it $3 preflop, i think you can fire this barrel here considering you might get weaker hands to fold etc. Hand is standard though.
Id maybe be wary of reraising TT because JJ stacks off so easily at these stakes.

KWilnor

02-13-2007, 09:43 PM

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This type of play can be read-dependant.

If the villain is super tight and you think he only raises AA or KK you might not want to pursue this line with JJ.

Against looser players who raise a wider range of hands your play will often succeed. Your reraise pf and the cb on the flop will take the pot sometimes.

Sometimes works against tight/weak players as well.

I played on a tight $25 NL table the other day. Had QQ. UTG raised to $.75, I reraised to $2.25, Button called, UTG called. Flop was rainbow and uncoordinated. I bet the pot - UTG and Button folded with the button showing KK.

As played I would reraise to $3 preflop, make a similar CB and then fold to the flop raise.

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02-13-2007, 10:04 PM

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I play exactly the same (except raise to $3). I don't 3bet AQo from the blinds unless the table is decently tight post-flop.

I see no problem with playing JJ the same as QQ unless a Q falls. Then you need to remember you don't have a set.

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02-13-2007, 10:15 PM

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I don't 3bet AQo from the blinds unless the table is decently tight post-flop.

ok dont RR AQ unless opp cant fold to c/b's. what if i had AQ here??? fold AJ but AQ i dont wanna call OOP, fold depending on player.

these are the kinda spots i wanna get down

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02-13-2007, 10:33 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by swiggidy

I see no problem with playing JJ the same as QQ unless a Q falls. Then you need to remember you don't have a set.

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ok dont RR AQ unless opp cant fold to c/b's. what if i had AQ here??? fold AJ but AQ i dont wanna call OOP, fold depending on player.

Against loose pre-flop raisers I'm usually re-raising AQo out of the blinds, sometimes calling. Against tight pre-flop raisers I'm usually folding. In position against loose raisers I'm sometimes calling, sometimes reraising. In position against tight raisers I'm usually folding, but sometimes calling and sometimes reraising.

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02-13-2007, 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by swiggidy

I don't 3bet AQo from the blinds unless the table is decently tight post-flop.

ok dont RR AQ unless opp cant fold to c/b's. what if i had AQ here??? fold AJ but AQ i dont wanna call OOP, fold depending on player.

these are the kinda spots i wanna get down

I didn't think this through the first time.

If there are multiple people in pre-flop I wouldn't raise pre-flop because not enough people fold, you're bloating the pot, you're OOP, etc. Against only a MP raiser (I don't play much ring) I will 3bet AQ, AJ here most of the time.

This does come down to reads a lot. If he's loose pre-flop but tight post-flop I might call with worse Axs and donkbet flops that would sit SCers (and miss high cards). If he's tight pre-flop and aggressive post-flop (rare @ 25NL) I'll fold AJ pre-flop. If he makes real bad decisions post-flop I'll call with AQ/AJ for balance because I'm going to be calling with a wide range of hands.

zook, does the fact that this is 25NL not 100NL affect this? I think calling/raising AQ more is ok because the players are worse.

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02-13-2007, 10:46 PM

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I don't really like the repop with JJ, unless raiser is very loose. I especially don't like it if orginal raiser is very aggressive (might 4 bet me with AK, might raise my c-bet with overs or a draw).

Probably the answer (with both JJ/AQ) is to raise/call 50-50, or fold (AQ) vs very tight raise. Also depends on how much you have been raising limpers out of the blinds.

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02-13-2007, 11:15 PM

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zook, does the fact that this is 25NL not 100NL affect this? I think calling/raising AQ more is ok because the players are worse.

I dunno. tbh, I have no idea what 25NL is like right now. I assume that tight raisers (PFR < ~6) aren't spewing post-flop with JJ when the board comes Axx, but I could be wrong. AQo just doesn't play very well against tight pre-flop raisers (reverse implied odds). Of course you should play it against loose pre-flop raisers. If opp is loose pre-flop but will fold to a rr b/c those always mean KK+ at 25NL, then you might want to call more, but from the blinds I still don't mind just taking it down pre-flop.

I'm almost never cold calling a pfr with AJo. I'd rather call with hands like 87o/75s/43s if I think the pfr'er is exploitable post-flop. These hands probably don't play quite as well at 25NL b/c a lot of their value comes from bluffing, which doesn't work as well at lower limits. But if you're careful about bluffing they're probably still profitable b/c opps are more likely to give you odds to draw and pay off your concealed monsters. Now I'm off-topic and rambling...

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