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Old 05-02-2010, 08:50 AM     Post subject: perspective - 50nl #1 (permalink)  
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 i've been thinking some about varying perspectives on the same hand.
both players are high volume regs full ring, breakeven or better. Both are here cos the big stack is 90-20 lucktard. Posted in FR forum cos both have a very full-nit mentality, and they know that of each other.

both are kinda nitty on later streets, occasionally capable of bluffs, but not really. Both have a good grip of their fold button, and like to pot control.

so, who played it better if tptk calls, how about if tptk folds?

$0.25/$0.50 Pot Limit Holdem
3 Players
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Stacks:
BTN ztard ($50)
SB Hero ($86.75)
BB ipwnuoldies ($162.10)

Pre-Flop: ($0.75, 3 players) Hero is SB
ztard raises to $1.75, Hero calls $1.50, robkeg folds

Flop: ($4, 2 players)
Hero checks, ztard bets $4, Hero calls $4

Turn: ($12, 2 players)
Hero checks, ztard bets $9.50, Hero calls $9.50

River: ($31, 2 players)
Hero checks, ztard bets $20,


$0.25/$0.50 Pot Limit Holdem
3 Players
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Stacks:
BTN Hero ($50)
SB ktard ($86.75)
BB ipwnuoldies ($162.10)

Pre-Flop: ($0.75, 3 players) Hero is BTN
Hero raises to $1.75, ktard calls $1.50, robkeg folds

Flop: ($4, 2 players)
ktard checks, Hero bets $4, ktard calls $4

Turn: ($12, 2 players)
ktard checks, Hero bets $9.50, ktard calls $9.50

River: ($31, 2 players)
ktard checks, Hero bets $20
don't raise with the straight flush bro, nobody ever gonna call that shit
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Old 05-02-2010, 11:07 AM #2 (permalink)  
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 h2 if ur gonna bet in such a way that sets up ur stack to be shoving the river WHY ARE U NOT SHOVING IT~!?^%WQ^@

(i realize u have like $2 more or something but if you want him to fold a pair which he has alot here put the pressure on, otherwise bet the flop and turn smaller to induce lighter peels, since I doubt something like AT is gonna call u twice here if hes a nitty tag unless he's really curious and you barrel frequently+use near pot bet sizing when you do)

h1 the even $20 bet in this spot is a bluff like 90% of the time - not folding
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Old 05-02-2010, 12:59 PM #3 (permalink)  
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 AQ: played the hand correctly. In general it is not a good idea to second and third barrel King and Ace high flops, but on this turn AQ had a ton of outs. So I think it was ok.

AK: should 3bet pre, as played river is more a call than a fold.
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Old 05-02-2010, 06:02 PM #4 (permalink)  
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 AQ wins this round.

AK gave itself one chance to win, whereas AQ gave itself two.


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Old 05-02-2010, 06:42 PM #5 (permalink)  
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 I don't see how calling AK can be better than 3-betting, unless btn's fold to 3b % is gigantuous and you're already 3-betting your air like you should. If BTN has the A - I only see the Q in the HH, I like the line, and river is a decent spot to barrel against a nit because he never really has more than one pair here. Against some who is capable of calling a little looser idk if I continue on the river. BB must realize that there are all kinds of broadways with a diamond in btn's range along with the fact that he can't really call with any of his range, which makes the river bet sizing suspicious.
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Old 05-03-2010, 08:35 AM #6 (permalink)  
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This is a pre-flop flat and it's not even fucking close unless the BB is so incredibly retarded that he's flatting re-raises.

The game is here how can we possibly get into as many hands with BB as possible, with occasional posturing against BN to keep him in line.

As for the hand, who the fuck cares. Two nitty tags got into a dick waving contest heads-up on a wet board with goodish hands. AK made two standard calls and took a pass this time on the money round. Like the next two times this comes up, he'll probably call and lose the hand.
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 Well 90/20 sounds pretty incredibly retarded to me.
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Old 05-07-2010, 03:38 AM #8 (permalink)  
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 3bet pre with AK; if the guy is overcalling a lot then he is probably flatting the 3bet a lot.

The AQ triple looks OK because the guy doesn't have much strength in his range, we got blockers, etc.
 
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