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TalentedTom

07-22-2005, 04:11 PM Post subject: People overbetting the river.

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After i folded he said good laydown, i missed my flushdraw... but didnt show so I have no reason to beleive him. This guy is a preety good player, on average I see him up ~at least 1 rebuy but most of his hands rarley reach showdown :/ My table image is tight-aggresive, so he must have had at least a general idea of what i had.

PokerStars Game #2160401502: Hold'em No Limit ($0.25/$0.50) - 2005/07/22 - 11:55:56 (ET)
Table 'Ampella II' Seat #7 is the button
Seat 2: Fabux ($66.10 in chips)
Seat 3: scCobra ($20.35 in chips)
Seat 4: Sharkky1 ($27.50 in chips)
Seat 5: ToredLonew ($55.05 in chips)
Seat 6: Jon Oats ($26.75 in chips)
Seat 7: Unrelenting ($64.20 in chips)
Seat 8: palicante ($96.10 in chips)
Seat 9: netjunkie ($10.25 in chips)
palicante: posts small blind $0.25
netjunkie: posts big blind $0.50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Unrelenting [Ac Ks]
Fabux: calls $0.50
scCobra: folds
Sharkky1: calls $0.50
ToredLonew: folds
Jon Oats: folds
Unrelenting: raises $2 to $2.50
palicante: folds
netjunkie: calls $2
Fabux: calls $2
Sharkky1: calls $2
*** FLOP *** [As 3c 6s]
netjunkie: checks
Fabux: checks
Sharkky1: checks
Unrelenting: bets $5
netjunkie: folds
Fabux: calls $5
Sharkky1: folds
*** TURN *** [As 3c 6s] [6d]
Fabux: checks
Unrelenting: bets $9.50
Fabux: raises $9.50 to $19
Unrelenting: calls $9.50
*** RIVER *** [As 3c 6s 6d] [9h]
Fabux: bets $25
Unrelenting: folds
Gimmeahh has returned
Fabux collected $55.40 from pot
Fabux: doesn't show hand
Unrelenting said, "gosh"
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $58.25 | Rake $2.85
Board [As 3c 6s 6d 9h]
Seat 2: Fabux collected ($55.40)
Seat 3: scCobra folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: Sharkky1 folded on the Flop
Seat 5: ToredLonew folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Jon Oats folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: Unrelenting (button) folded on the River
Seat 8: palicante (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 9: netjunkie (big blind) folded on the Flop

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DimitriT

07-22-2005, 05:53 PM

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The only hands you could give him credit for right there are 66, 33 or A6. That's a pretty big PFR for AK, its sort of puts you in a situation (with 3 opps.) where you need to bet more on the flop and turn. Against LAGs I would raise less there since you are getting called anyway. I would have made it $1.50 to go.

I'm not sure about the raise on the turn. I'm guessing you put him on a flush draw so when he raises you there I would have to reevaluate. You don't want to call that unless you are ready to go all-in on the river - in that case, you are better off pushing right there rather than calling since the river is most likely to not benefit you. For me that's a push/fold situation. With just your TP, I would fold it but since the only hand I could put him on is 33 I may push if I had a read.

DoGGz

07-23-2005, 10:52 AM

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Just so you know, he never overbet at all. His river bet isn't even the size of the pot. An 'overbet' is a bet larger then the pot.

07-23-2005, 10:58 AM

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He's come right to life on the turn here, that screams a X6, or he might even be starting to make a move with a flopped set with 33.

I like your river fold, you are beat here most times.

bair

07-23-2005, 05:50 PM

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busted flush, almost positive

lowBoy

07-23-2005, 07:11 PM

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Yeah, his bet seems too big for a hand he thinks is best.

Muxy

07-24-2005, 06:02 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by bair

busted flush, almost positive

Yep looks like that.

Greedo017

07-24-2005, 12:44 PM

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his bet is less than half the pot. pot is 60, what would an appropriate value bet be? seems to me if he wanted to bluff he would've just pushed, he barely had anything more than the 25 left.

lowBoy

07-24-2005, 08:28 PM

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When there's betting the whole way through I usually go for 1/4 of the pot or the last bet from the turn. The min-raise on the turn would have set alarm bells off in the majority of players though, so I don't know if another small bet would do it on the river.

I'd say either $10 or rep the bluff and push. I'm leaning towards pushing.

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