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Old 03-17-2006, 03:00 AM     Post subject: Passively played QQ or good fold? Opp knows what he's doing. #1 (permalink)  

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Game # 250835666 - Texas Hold'em No Limit EUR 0.50/1 - Table "Montmell"
Game ended 2006-02-16 03:31:11 GMT+01:00

Players:
BEVO (EUR 101.75 in seat 1)
Hero (EUR 99.50 in seat 2)
DeadAA88 (EUR 51.35 in seat 3)
Argenius1 (EUR 183.53 in seat 4)
Mr_FK (EUR 83.01 in seat 5)
UTG (EUR 92.00 in seat 6)

Dealer: DeadAA88
Small Blind: Argenius1 (0.50)
Big Blind: Mr_FK (1.00)

Hero was dealt: Qh - Qs

UTG Raise (3.50)
BEVO Fold
Hero Call (3.50)
DeadAA88 Fold
Argenius1 Fold
Mr_FK Call (2.50)

Flop 5d - 7c - Th

Mr_FK Check
UTG Bet (8.75)
Hero Raise (17.50)
Mr_FK Fold
UTG Raise (36.00)
Hero Fold
UTG Payback (27.25)

UTG didn't show hand

UTG wins: EUR 43.70
Rake: EUR 1.75

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UTG is 20.5/2.56 after 39 hands... I don't recall him making any plays out of the ordinary. I think his 3.5x Raise in that position represents strength, anywhere from JJ-AA and AK. I figured that I am horribly behind KK/AA, way ahead of JJ, and slightly ahead of AK. But given his normal play, he is probably not holding AK, and I don't think that JJ would RE-raise that kind of flop...? His RE-raise smells like AA/KK or even possibly TT. Anyway, how would you guys have played this?
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Old 03-17-2006, 03:29 AM #2 (permalink)  
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You re-raised and a tight solid player snapped you back hard to tell you he was ahead of you.
You found out what you needed to know, good ld imo.

My only question is whether you could have bet more like 3/4 of the pot on the flop and kept the pot a little more in control. If he's the kind of player you portray, he's giving up his overs. And your line from there wouldn't have been as expensive.
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Old 03-17-2006, 04:23 AM #3 (permalink)  
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don't be silly metaxy a minraise is the best hero could do. nice fold speed
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Old 03-17-2006, 05:46 AM #4 (permalink)  
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don't be silly metaxy a minraise is the best hero could do. nice fold speed
sorry lefou, i meant the flop bet.
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Old 03-17-2006, 03:43 PM #5 (permalink)  
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 preflop is horrible.i think i know half these players, id give you a better read if i knew who utg was :P
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Old 03-17-2006, 05:25 PM #7 (permalink)  
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 Why not cold call the flop bet and see how the turn develops? Disclaimer: I don't play 100NL yet.
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Old 03-17-2006, 05:50 PM #8 (permalink)  
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You do not want to call the flop bet as it may very well be a c-bet...with AK....leaving him the turn to hit is pair. As played, you know where you stand and can fold if he comes over the top.
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Old 03-17-2006, 06:51 PM #9 (permalink)  
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Preflop is really weak though. You have QQ, why not re-raise? QQ is a good hand. Were you slowplaying? Are you worried about AA or KK from a tight player?

My preflop play here is determined by reads of course, but you can't play this so passively if you have none.


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Miffed- UTG is "TheDirk".

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My only question is whether you could have bet more like 3/4 of the pot on the flop and kept the pot a little more in control. If he's the kind of player you portray, he's giving up his overs. And your line from there wouldn't have been as expensive.
UTG bet before I had a chance... is this what you're referring to? Sorry, I'm confused

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Preflop is really weak though. You have QQ, why not re-raise? QQ is a good hand. Were you slowplaying? Are you worried about AA or KK from a tight player?

My preflop play here is determined by reads of course, but you can't play this so passively if you have none.
I don't like to RE-raise w/ QQ after UTG has made such a large raise, b/c more times than not I am against KK or AA it seems. That of course is under the assumption UTG has somewhat of a clue. I definitely wasn't slowplaying, just being cautious. In general, I tend to give raises from UTG more respect, simply because ppl who are aware strictly limit what hands they raise in this pos...
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Old 03-18-2006, 03:05 AM #11 (permalink)  
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Test him for AA/KK preflop with a healthy reraise.
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Old 03-18-2006, 11:31 AM #12 (permalink)  
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Put money in the bank preflop with a healthy reraise.
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