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Old 08-21-2005, 05:39 PM     Post subject: Passive bottom 2. .25/.5 #1 (permalink)  
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Im in the SB at a loose, nondescript table with J 2 Everyone at the table sucks. Badly. I make g00t table selection.

7 handed, everyone folds to CO who limps, button folds, I complete, BB checks.

EDIT-- My table image is tight, if they're paying attention. I played like 3 hands out of 3. All PP limps, flops and folds. I've been folding my blinds to non stealing raises.

No reads on on anyone becuase I wasn't paying much attention. So sue me.

Flop comes

QJ2

I contemplate leading this flop but decide not to since I probably just bet and every folds and I felt very capable of folding two pair if shit goes down.

I check, BB checks, CO bets 2 at a 1.5 pot. I call... BB folds.

I know people will say raise, whatev. I figured I could probably raise his turn bet.

Turn is a 5

I check, CO bets 8 bucks at a 5.5 pot. I call...

River is a 6

I check, CO bets 15.5 at a 21.5 pot. I call...

Wierd hand but I feel like I played it right but wrong and don't know why.

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Old 08-21-2005, 06:21 PM #2 (permalink)  
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i've seen people donk over-bet these pots with 8 high at .25-.50, but who knows. You just don't know what they have at this level sometimes, I probably woulda had my money in on the turn though.
take your ego out of the equation and judge the situation dispassionately
 
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Old 08-21-2005, 06:51 PM #3 (permalink)  
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you gotta have a raise in there somewhere, i like the play if your opps will overplay/bluff into passiveness. but you gotta bet the river or raise the turn.

why complete with J2o? 2pair/trips draw?
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Old 08-21-2005, 06:59 PM #4 (permalink)  
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i've seen people donk over-bet these pots with 8 high at .25-.50, but who knows. You just don't know what they have at this level sometimes, I probably woulda had my money in on the turn though.
I thought about that a lot but dont you think he'll pound the river when he misses but will fold the turn?

I just don't like how the hand looks in the end. Or my flop decision.

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Old 08-21-2005, 07:02 PM #5 (permalink)  
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you gotta have a raise in there somewhere, i like the play if your opps will overplay/bluff into passiveness. but you gotta bet the river or raise the turn.
If I only call the turn, i'm always check/calling any non Q river.

I want him to fire just one more barrel and once he does, there's no sense in raising him. He wont call with a worse hand than bottom 2 (maybe i'm wrong)

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why complete with J2o? 2pair/trips draw?
one pair. check/check/weak bet lines. Look for just wierd flops to lead at and take the pot. When you play tight, you get used to playing from the blinds in limp pots.

But I think I did it most importantly for image. People notice if you fold your small blind. I'm tight, but I don't want to be precieved as that tight.

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Old 08-21-2005, 07:09 PM #6 (permalink)  
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You might be able to raise that river, but it's your call; someone with a Q will probably just flat call a raise on the river. I like your plays here.

Just let him bet into you if you hold two pair here; no reason to think that you're behind. Massive overbet = weak hand more often than not at $.25 $.50.

'Rilla: Why are you playing at $.25 $.50 NL?

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Old 08-21-2005, 07:14 PM #7 (permalink)  
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'Rilla: Why are you playing at $.25 $.50 NL?
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Old 08-21-2005, 07:16 PM #8 (permalink)  
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I see.

Well, if you ever want to play NL again and want a backer, I'm your man.

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Old 08-21-2005, 07:20 PM #9 (permalink)  
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nah im about halfway home to learning limits.

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Old 08-21-2005, 08:17 PM #10 (permalink)  
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I like this play. It's also very good for image, since it might look a little fishy to noobs and will make people less inclined to steal from you. This is assuming that anyone's actually paying attention at 50nl, which might not be the case.
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Old 08-21-2005, 10:35 PM     Post subject: Re: Passive bottom 2. .25/.5 #11 (permalink)  

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I don't understand this play.
i thought a major part of the game is to gain information on your opponents hands. The only way to do this is to raise.
How can you have any idea of what he is holding if you haven't chucked a raise in there somewhere. He could be really strong, or he could just be betting into weakness.

How do you tell?

You did say.....
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I felt very capable of folding two pair if shit goes down.
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so, what did you do?
pocket Jacks eh?

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CANT WIN AGAINST 'EM
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Old 08-21-2005, 11:36 PM     Post subject: Re: Passive bottom 2. .25/.5 #12 (permalink)  
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I don't understand this play.
i thought a major part of the game is to gain information on your opponents hands. The only way to do this is to raise.
How can you have any idea of what he is holding if you haven't chucked a raise in there somewhere. He could be really strong, or he could just be betting into weakness.

How do you tell?

You did say.....
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I felt very capable of folding two pair if shit goes down.
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so, what did you do?
I've seen so many damn hands of poker, I don't really need to raise to know he either has QJ, 22, Qx or nothing. He's going to probably fold Qx or nothing to a raise and call/go AI with QJ and 22. But he'll just keep tossing money in the pot if I never do anything but check/call.

Raising made sense on the flop, and it would have been a fine line. But with him overbetting, I felt there was a great chance to get him in on the turn (or have some crazy card fall like a Q and lemme get away from an outdraw cheap (I don't recomend others use this logic.) On the flop I planned to check/raise, then I planned to check/raise the turn. Then I planned to just check/call any non 2/non J river. Plans change.

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Old 08-22-2005, 12:15 AM #13 (permalink)  
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The more I play, the more I find myself playing passively on alot of turns and rivers. Showdowns are good sometimes. It's not all about finding out whether someone wants to risk their stack on every hand. I think this is kind of counter-intuitive, but the more you get a feel for the game the less information you need.
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