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doubleglazin
Old 02-19-2006, 05:22 PM     Post subject: Overplaying Queens???? Underbetting them? #1 (permalink)  

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I looked in pt stats and found to my suprise that queens are my biggest loser overall. I go "oh no not queens again" when im dealt them. So the question is do i overplay them????
Comments, criticisms and abuse welcome. Here is a selection of hands. Reads on opponents at NL10 assume they are abit fishy.
Hand 1.
Paradise Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (10 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx
CO ($3.59)
Hero ($7.05)
SB ($12.87)
BB ($18.90)
UTG ($10.45)
UTG+1 ($3.64)
UTG+2 ($10.56)
MP1 ($4.35)
MP2 ($30.24)
MP3 ($14.57)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Q, Q. SB posts a blind of $0.05.
2 folds, UTG+2 calls $0.10, MP1 calls $0.10, 1 fold, MP3 calls $0.10, CO calls $0.10, Hero raises to $0.35, 1 fold, BB calls $0.25, UTG+2 calls $0.25, MP1 folds, MP3 calls $0.25, CO calls $0.25.

Flop: ($1.90) 3, 4, 4 (5 players)
BB checks, UTG+2 checks, MP3 checks, CO checks, Hero bets $1, BB folds, UTG+2 folds, MP3 raises to $2, CO folds, Hero calls $1.

Turn: ($5.90) 9 (2 players)
MP3 checks, Hero checks.

River: ($5.90) 4 (2 players)
MP3 bets $2, Hero calls $2.

Final Pot: $9.90

Hand 2
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MP1 ($12.65)
MP2 ($2.69)
Hero ($10.00)
Button ($2.50)
SB ($21.65)
BB ($8.90)
UTG ($10.00)
UTG+1 ($19.71)

Preflop: Hero is CO with Q, Q. Hero posts a blind of $0.10. SB posts a blind of $0.05. UTG posts a blind of $0.10.
UTG (poster) checks, 3 folds, Hero (poster) raises to $0.25, 1 fold, SB (poster) calls $0.25, BB calls $0.20, UTG calls $0.20.

Flop: ($1.20) 5, 6, T (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG bets $0.1, Hero raises to $0.45, SB folds, BB calls $0.45, UTG calls $0.35.

Turn: ($2.55) 9 (3 players)
BB checks, UTG bets $1, Hero calls $1, BB calls $1.

River: ($5.55) J (3 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets $1, BB calls $1, UTG calls $1.

Final Pot: $8.55

Hand 3: This was awful dont what i was thinking.
GAME #1283948557 - (BLINDS $0.05/$0.10) NO LIMIT TEXAS HOLD'EM - 2006/02/13-13:10:27.7 (CST)
Table "Orella" (real money) -- Seat 4 is the button
Seat 1: beagle110 ($11.55 in chips)
Seat 2: hessgm ($3.13 in chips)
Seat 3: doubleglazin ($10.45 in chips)
Seat 4: pokersheep ($6.85 in chips)
Seat 5: beef710 ($3.00 in chips)
Seat 6: don vitto ($4.25 in chips)
Seat 9: MPT BOB ($4.45 in chips)
beef710 : Post Small Blind ($0.05)
don vitto: Post Big Blind ($0.10)
Dealing...
Dealt to doubleglazin [ Qh ]
Dealt to doubleglazin [ Qd ]
MPT BOB : Call ($0.10)
beagle110: Raise ($0.20)
hessgm : Fold
doubleglazin: Raise ($0.40)
pokersheep: Raise ($6.85)
beef710 : Fold
don vitto: Fold
MPT BOB : Fold
beagle110 said, "i know I'm beat with better pair...its the pp way"
beagle110: Raise All-in ($11.35)
doubleglazin: Call All-in ($10.05)
*** FLOP *** : [ 3d 8c 2d ]
*** TURN *** : [ 3d 8c 2d ] [ 5h ]
*** RIVER *** : [ 3d 8c 2d 5h ] [ 4c ]
pokersheep said, "kk?"

Hand 4:
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SB ($17.90)
Hero ($6.20)
UTG ($4.24)
UTG+1 ($3.80)
MP1 ($4.00)
MP2 ($13.40)
CO ($10.00)
Button ($3.90)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q, Q. SB posts a blind of $0.05. MP1 posts a blind of $0.10. CO posts a blind of $0.10.
UTG calls $0.10, UTG+1 calls $0.10, MP1 (poster) raises to $0.35, MP2 calls $0.40, CO (poster) calls $0.30, 1 fold, SB (poster) calls $0.35, Hero calls $0.30, UTG folds, UTG+1 calls $0.30.

Flop: ($2.50) 5, 5, 2 (6 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG+1 checks, MP1 checks, MP2 checks, CO checks.

Turn: ($2.50) 8 (6 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.5, UTG+1 calls $0.50, MP1 folds, MP2 calls $0.50, CO calls $0.50, SB folds.

River: ($4.50) 6 (4 players)
Hero bets $0.8, UTG+1 calls $0.80, MP2 calls $0.80, CO calls $0.80.

Final Pot: $7.70

Hand 5
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saw flop|saw showdown

Button ($15.23)
SB ($9.54)
BB ($9.75)
UTG ($2.98)
Hero ($15.12)
MP1 ($2.80)
MP2 ($3.75)
CO ($6.05)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with Q, Q. SB posts a blind of $0.05.
UTG raises to $0.2, Hero raises to $0.4, 2 folds, CO calls $0.40, Button calls $0.40, 2 folds, UTG calls $0.20.

Flop: ($1.75) 6, T, T (4 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $0.5, CO folds, Button calls $0.50, UTG folds.

Turn: ($2.75) 9 (2 players)
Hero bets $0.6, Button raises to $1.5, Hero calls $0.90.

River: ($5.75) 8 (2 players)
Hero bets $1, Button raises to $2, Hero calls $1.

Final Pot: $9.75

Hand 6
Paradise Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (7 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

saw flop|saw showdown

BB ($16.55)
Hero ($9.65)
MP1 ($18.95)
MP2 ($11.75)
CO ($7.30)
Button ($10.60)
SB ($7.65)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q, Q. SB posts a blind of $0.05.
Hero raises to $0.3, 1 fold, MP2 raises to $1, 2 folds, SB (poster) calls $0.95, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.70.

Flop: ($3.10) 8, A, T (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, MP2 bets $1.6, SB calls $1.60, Hero folds.

Looking Back I might need to up my standard pf raise too many players on certain flops.
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Old 02-19-2006, 07:19 PM #2 (permalink)  
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FIRST HAND:
Preflop you should be raisning a bit more; standard raise is 3x-4x the BB making it .30-.40 to go.Add a BB for each limper so with 4 CALLERS you need to make it .70-.80 to go(make them pay to see the flop as well as make up for the times your Queens get outflopped).

On the flop you need to bet closer to $1.75; you want information that will help you decide if someone has trips or the boat(we can rule out quads hopefully).

THe turn is your key moment.You need to make the ever wonderful information bet that you can get away from if raised.Checking behind shows weakness and you won't know whether his bet on the river(if he does) means strength or a bluff.I would make it $2.85-$3.25 to go.If you are popped back of bet into on the river you can fold.

SECOND HAND:
Again you did not raise enough preflop.This should be .40-.50 to go with 1 limper.

On the flop you did may have raised too much.I would've made this closer to0 to .40 to go.Typical raise is usually 3x-4x the initial bet(then add the bet for each caller).There is a flush draw and straight draw and many people will take one off anyways and alot of cards could come on the turn that kill you and you will be putting more money into a pot with a vulnerable hand.

On the turn I would alternate between folding or reraising.If you are reraised then you can fold.

On the river I don't understand your bet.You are setting yourself up for an easy uncomfortable reraise or worse push and will have to make a tough laydown or worse pay off.Almost every possible straight draw has arrived on the river: 78s,KQs,Q8s, all have your number here.Even JTs,J9s,T9s have hit their two pair,and a set may have decided to just check and not try to destack you.
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Old 02-19-2006, 10:01 PM #3 (permalink)  
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 At 10nl your preflop raise with QQ-AA should be 75 cents+
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