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Old 06-29-2006, 07:35 AM     Post subject: Overbetting the river? Advice appreciated. #1 (permalink)  
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Two hands from today's session. I overbet the river both in and out of position and got nothing. What could I have got away with?

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UTG+1 ($9.52)
UTG+2 ($20.77)
MP1 ($26.00)
Hero ($25.13)
MP3 ($12.70)
CO ($24.50)
Button ($17.30)
SB ($29.85)
BB ($17.45)
UTG ($71.87)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with Q, Q. SB posts a blind of $0.10.
UTG calls $0.25, 1 fold, UTG+2 calls $0.25, MP1 calls $0.25, Hero raises to $3, 4 folds, BB calls $2.75, UTG folds, UTG+2 folds, MP1 folds.

Flop: ($6.85) 8, 9, 3 (2 players)
BB bets $2, Hero calls $2.

Turn: ($10.85) Q (2 players)
BB bets $2.2, Hero calls $2.20.

River: ($15.25) 9 (2 players)
BB bets $5, Hero raises to $15, BB folds.

Final Pot: $35.25

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SB ($22.60)
Hero ($30.90)
UTG ($14.15)
UTG+1 ($20.12)
MP1 ($25.55)
MP2 ($37.25)
MP3 ($38.30)
CO ($22.75)
Button ($39.15)

Preflop: Hero is BB with J, J. SB posts a blind of $0.10.
4 folds, MP3 calls $0.25, CO raises to $1, Button calls $1, 1 fold, Hero raises to $3.1, MP3 folds, CO calls $2.25, Button calls $2.25.

Flop: ($10.10) 3, J, 5 (3 players)
Hero checks, CO checks, Button checks.

Turn: ($10.10) 2 (3 players)
Hero bets $3, CO calls $3, Button folds.

River: ($16.10) 7 (2 players)
Hero bets $15, CO folds.

Final Pot: $31.10
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Old 06-29-2006, 11:55 AM #2 (permalink)  
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River lines:

First hand fine. wp. Maybe if you minbet he pushes, but probably not

Second hand isn't bad, but you might have gotten a call with 1/2 or 1/3 pot.

Neither of these are really overbets, they are value bets. Overbets are more than pot.
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Old 06-29-2006, 12:27 PM #3 (permalink)  
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In both hands you are the preflop raises and you just check/call the flop. If you want to build the pot you must bet/raise the flop. Plus, if in either case the villian hit a better hand, he would have gotten great odds to do so.

Hand 1: I'd reraise the flop to 6 and try to get as much in on the turn as possible. As played, a min-raise on river might do it.

Hand 2: You tossed in a 2nd raise preflop that's usually QQ+/AK. That must warrant a c-bet in all cases especially when you actually have something. You could have tried $5-$7 flop, check turn (feigning a missed AK, and raising) and then a 2/3 pot bet on river.
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 hand 1: i like the line. villain knew he was beat and got the hell out of dodge. Maybe a min-raise works here on the river, but i think he folds either way.

hand 2: i think a bet in the $6-8 range gets called here.
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Old 06-29-2006, 03:15 PM #5 (permalink)  
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In both hands you are the preflop raises and you just check/call the flop. If you want to build the pot you must bet/raise the flop.
QFT, that makes it so you don't have to overbet the river.
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