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Old 12-14-2005, 12:54 AM     Post subject: # outs/ your play? #1 (permalink)  
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i play a loose aggressive game, so, i find myself in this position often. i make no apologies for my pf call, its fairly standard for me, even heads up. villian is a loose raiser, and tight reraiser. this is a dream flop for my suited connector, giving me 15 outs with the straight/flush draw. if by some fluke, he is on top pr, this flop gives me the max outs (21) you can have in HE. however, i place him on jj or better. what is your flop/turn play?

#Game No : 3195977403
***** Hand History for Game 3195977403 *****
$100 NL Texas Hold'em - Tuesday, December 13, 19:33:15 EDT 2005
Table Table 69813 (Real Money)
Seat 8 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 10: siknd ( $89.35 )
Seat 9: RNuOVR ( $115.95 )
Seat 5: hershm ( $114.30 )
Seat 4: amproperties ( $36.60 )
Seat 7: gandhrew9 ( $95 )
Seat 8: kingjames32 ( $57.70 )
Seat 3: tuxmask70113 ( $102.80 )
Seat 6: billieday ( $12 )
Seat 1: BELLAG10 ( $98 )
Seat 2: Petoria620 ( $100 )
RNuOVR posts small blind [$0.50].
siknd posts big blind [$1].
gandhrew9 posts big blind [$1].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to siknd [ 8h 9h ]
BELLAG10 folds.
tuxmask70113 folds.
amproperties folds.
hershm raises [$4].
billieday folds.
gandhrew9 folds.
kingjames32 folds.
RNuOVR folds.
siknd calls [$3].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 6h, 3h, 7c ]
siknd checks.
hershm bets [$7].
siknd calls [$7].
** Dealing Turn ** [ Qd ]
siknd checks.
hershm bets [$35].
siknd ??
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Old 12-14-2005, 01:04 AM #2 (permalink)  
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 If you're truely laggy and/or feel you have some fold equity, you could check-raise all in
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Old 12-14-2005, 01:26 AM #3 (permalink)  
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I think the guy fold more than 80% of the time to an all in here...

If he just has random overcards like AK AQ AJ, he surely fold

If he has overpair, he will surely think about it. He probably knows your not a total idiot who would all in with one pair, and so only thing he can put you on that allows him to call you is a flush draw.

And if he actually calls you, your still a very good %

I like the check raise all in play. It also gives you a maniac image which is VERY good against some players.(Don't forget about this part, if you get a monster few hands later against same guy and he has a good hand, he will probably pay you off)
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Old 12-14-2005, 02:11 AM #4 (permalink)  
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Old 12-14-2005, 12:37 PM #5 (permalink)  
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Personnaly I'd ck raise the flop to about $20, pushing if he comes back at you . If he just has overcards then you wont get much out of him anyway, If he has a high PP then you can get your money in when you a favorite as if you do hit the flush on the turn this could kill your action. As it played out, the turn did'nt help you so a ck-raise all in would definatly maximise you chances of winning (and probably scare the shit out of him)

If he thinks for ages then folds, make sure you show

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Old 12-14-2005, 02:31 PM #6 (permalink)  
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Fold pre-flop unless you're willing to float him.

Must raise that flop and put him to a decision for all of his chips. I would make it $30 flat.

As played, I think you have to call that turn. Too many outs.
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Old 12-14-2005, 04:05 PM #7 (permalink)  
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I am with Fnord. Call. He probably has a vulnerable overpair and he did the right thing to protect them. He overbet the pot significantly. 1.6 to 1 on your money. 2.1 to 1 odds with $43 behind. Let's say you can get the remaining $43 in the pot 50% of the time = 2.2 to one on your money or in other words it's an EVEN MONEY call.
I call if I think this guy can't get away from his hand 50% of the time. Otherwise I fold. I guess the deciding factor is the LAG image you are creating. Make sure you show your cards.
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Old 12-14-2005, 05:55 PM #8 (permalink)  
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i knew that he wasnt going to fold any two cards, because if i went over the top, it was only for another $35 = he is pot committed. i did go all in here. i rivered an 8, he had A7 for top pr on the flop. wow. most times i wouldnt have considered my 8 and 9 to be live, so i guess i got lucky.
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Old 12-14-2005, 08:03 PM #9 (permalink)  
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raise the flop!!!!!!!!
push if he gets big on you as he surely does with an overpair. He may fold if you push he may call. EIther is good if he gets big on your reraise of the flop.
This is a laggs dream!
so many outs
cold calling the flop is so bad imo!
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