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Old 11-07-2005, 01:31 PM     Post subject: Out of my normal realm. #1 (permalink)  
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This table is limping around with all sorts of hands, but they're weak post-flop. I've been playing TAG, and if any of them recognize image, that's certainly mine. That's why I check behind on 4th.

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$25 NL Texas Hold'em - Monday, November 07, 09:17:34 EDT 2005
Table Table 65095 (Real Money)
Seat 7 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: Brunson22 ( $14.65 )
Seat 3: Phoeberdoo ( $36.70 )
Seat 4: glaccy ( $53.50 )
Seat 5: axel83 ( $34.80 )
Seat 6: bbelt ( $25 )
Seat 7: sejje ( $30.30 )
Seat 10: nonnon10 ( $25.30 )
Seat 8: hkinni ( $13.75 )
Seat 9: luckboxuno ( $25 )
Seat 2: Nobleut81 ( $25 )
hkinni posts small blind [$0.10].
luckboxuno posts big blind [$0.25].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to sejje [ 3d 6d ]
nonnon10 calls [$0.25].
Brunson22 calls [$0.25].
Phoeberdoo folds.
glaccy calls [$0.25].
axel83 calls [$0.25].
bbelt folds.
sejje raises [$1.50].
hkinni folds.
luckboxuno folds.
nonnon10 calls [$1.25].
Brunson22 calls [$1.25].
glaccy calls [$1.25].
axel83 calls [$1.25].
** Dealing Flop ** [ Th, 5s, 2d ]
nonnon10 checks.
Brunson22 checks.
glaccy checks.
axel83 checks.
sejje bets [$5].
nonnon10 folds.
Brunson22 folds.
glaccy folds.
axel83 calls [$5].
** Dealing Turn ** [ Jh ]
axel83 checks.
sejje checks.
** Dealing River ** [ 4h ]
axel83 bets [$15].
sejje???

Is this a warning? I don't think he's trying to push me off. But what hand does he think is best here?

sejje is all-In [$23.80]
axel83 calls [$8.80].
axel83 shows [ Qh, 5h ] a flush, queen high.
sejje doesn't show [ 3d, 6d ] a straight, two to six.
axel83 wins $62.45 from the main pot with a flush, queen high.
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Old 11-07-2005, 03:51 PM #2 (permalink)  
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Smooth call and cry if he caught a flush. Many players will hang around with all sorts of wierd draws against aggressive opponents. It's not inconceivable that he caught runner runner flush, though I doubt he would bet it that hard. Easy call IMO.
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Old 11-11-2005, 02:45 AM #3 (permalink)  
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Yeah, the check on the turn indiciates weakness after a strong bluff attempt on the flop. I suspect he is trying to take this baby down with bottom pair
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Old 11-11-2005, 06:24 AM #4 (permalink)  
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You guys don't like a raise, though?
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Old 11-11-2005, 09:31 AM #5 (permalink)  
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 this is something i'm trying to work on, where people seem to have something strong, but nothing makes sense. I find that i put blinders on after the flop, and i only pay attention to the most likely hands afterward, i ignore the remotely possible ones.

I think crying call the river. He has to have gotten the flush a significant enough amount of the time that a raise is suicide, trust your read that this is showing great strength and not a bluff.
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Old 11-11-2005, 11:14 AM #6 (permalink)  
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I play for stacks on the river. If he's got the flush then good for him.
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Old 11-11-2005, 11:26 AM #7 (permalink)  
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Dealt to sejje [ 3d 6d ]
nonnon10 calls [$0.25].
Brunson22 calls [$0.25].
Phoeberdoo folds.
glaccy calls [$0.25].
axel83 calls [$0.25].
bbelt folds.
sejje raises [$1.50].
I think raising preflop here is a losing play because you can expect to get multiple callers (from these type of opponents) who you will struggle shake off, your hand is really weak and you will end up making too many second best hands that will get you stacked. I know it can get boring playing straight up TAG poker but against a loose table like this trying to get creative will just lose you money since you dont have the folding equity which can make raising weak hands +EV.
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Dealt to sejje [ 3d 6d ]
nonnon10 calls [$0.25].
Brunson22 calls [$0.25].
Phoeberdoo folds.
glaccy calls [$0.25].
axel83 calls [$0.25].
bbelt folds.
sejje raises [$1.50].
I think raising preflop here is a losing play because you can expect to get multiple callers (from these type of opponents) who you will struggle shake off, your hand is really weak and you will end up making too many second best hands that will get you stacked. I know it can get boring playing straight up TAG poker but against a loose table like this trying to get creative will just lose you money since you dont have the folding equity which can make raising weak hands +EV.
Agreed. Just play better cards on a loose passive table. It's the easiest kind to beat. Do this sort of thing against a table of TAG's.
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Old 11-11-2005, 05:13 PM #9 (permalink)  
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I dislike every street. Pre flop most of all.

Fold pre flop.
Check the flop.
Check the turn.
Call the river.
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