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Old 05-29-2005, 12:54 PM     Post subject: Ouch! AAA going down to suited connectors #1 (permalink)  
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Read on UTG+2. PT rate him as kind of fishy, but I had very few hands to make a good read.

0.25/0.5$ NL 10 player

Dealt to Borax in MP1
:As::Ah:
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OpeningBetRound
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SB : Posts small blind 0.25
BB : Posts big blind 0.50
UTG : Folds
UTG+1 : Calls for 0.50
UTG+2 : Calls for 0.50
Borax : Raises for 3.00
MP2 : Calls for 3.00
MP3 : Folds
CO : Folds
Button : Folds
SB : Folds
BB : Folds
UTG+1 : Calls for 2.50
UTG+2 : Calls for 2.50
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Flop

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UTG+1 : Bets 3.00
UTG+2 : Folds
Borax : Raises for 12.00
MP2 : Folds
UTG+1 : Calls for 9.00
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Turn

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UTG+1 : Bets 2.50
Borax : Calls for 2.50
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River

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UTG+1 : Bets 27.00
Borax : Raises for 54.00
UTG+1 : Went all-in 10.12
Borax : Receives returned betting money 16.88
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Showdown
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UTG+1
- - Straight - 9 high
Borax
- Three of a Kind - A's
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Result
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UTG+1 Showed Cards (Winning) 112.99
Borax Showed Cards
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I slowed down on the turn, thinking he was slowplaying set or straight, but the last A made me go for it. A little black out in my brain there, since the Ace doesn't change the straight danger, although I was hoping to bust his set....

I think I should have raised more on the flop, (maybe also preflop, but actually the table had been folding a lot to 3-4xBB preflop earlier). In fact I was fearing the flush more than the straight after the preflop betting..
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Old 05-29-2005, 03:08 PM #2 (permalink)  
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Raise the turn and you'll quickly find out that you're beat.
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Old 05-29-2005, 05:31 PM #3 (permalink)  
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You called on the turn when you have a lack of information. You should have been raising to avoid a messy river. If you didn't hit your ace, what sorts of river bets would you call? (up to what?)

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Old 05-30-2005, 09:54 AM #4 (permalink)  
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I have soooooo much to learn...
makes it interesting though
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Old 05-30-2005, 03:16 PM #5 (permalink)  
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Raising more preflop there is rediculous if it's been 2-way or less from 4xBB raises. You don't really want to take it down preflop...you want one or two callers. If that size of a bet doesn't give those results most of the time at this table, then raise more. Doing it now for any other reason is advertising your hand.
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Old 05-30-2005, 03:25 PM #6 (permalink)  
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I aggree. I don't vary my preflop bets much. Usually 2-3$ is enough at 0.25/0.5$ NL, but I see several guys on this forum preaching for higher preflop raises. Sometimes I increase or decrease my bet to confuse though.
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Old 05-31-2005, 04:46 AM #7 (permalink)  
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I aggree. I don't vary my preflop bets much. Usually 2-3$ is enough at 0.25/0.5$ NL, but I see several guys on this forum preaching for higher preflop raises. Sometimes I increase or decrease my bet to confuse though.
Most of the pots I win go like this.

"Raise in mp by me. CO-Button-SB-BB call. Flop comes XXX. Check to me OR I'm first to act, I fire out a bet twice my prefloip raise. All folds and I win."

So, If increase my preflop raise by just 1 BB that equates to 4 or 5 BBs per 100. Of course, there is a point where you wont get callers anymore. I think that value is 7 and greater. But between 4-6, you're ok.

I personally stick with 4 becuase I dont want to give my opponents much more reason to fight me post flop. But I can easily understand the merits of 6.

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Old 05-31-2005, 01:24 PM #8 (permalink)  
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Quote:
rilla wrote:

Most of the pots I win go like this.

"Raise in mp by me. CO-Button-SB-BB call. Flop comes XXX. Check to me OR I'm first to act, I fire out a bet twice my prefloip raise. All folds and I win."

Maybe a stupid question, but when you say you raise 4xBB from MP, would that be a 2.5$ bet or a 2$ bet when the BB is 0.5$?

Does your example mean that your average bet will be about half pot on the flop? So for my game 0.25/0.5$ your example will be like this:

SB posts 0.25
BB posts 0.5
UTG fold
UTG+1 fold
UTG+2 call for 0.5
MP1 fold
MP2 fold
MP3 raise to 2
CO call for 2
SB call 1.75 to 2
BB call 1.5 to 2
UTG+2 fold

FLOP XXX

MP3 bet 4 (pot 8.5$)
CO, SB, BB fold
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Old 05-31-2005, 03:26 PM #9 (permalink)  
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Yes, I'd raise to 2 bucks at .25/.5 NL

Though, I would only bet that flop if I was second to last or last to act. Give everyone a chance to fight for it.

I will bet from any position as a continuation bet if it's 3 or 2 people to the flop.

I will also not bet flops that I feel are hard to rep like J T 5

I will however bet on a flop like 332 (With 4 people) hoping for an aware player to give me a raise so I can bump it up again and wins more monnies.

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Old 05-31-2005, 03:28 PM #10 (permalink)  
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