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Warpe
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08-04-2006, 05:22 PM
Post subject: OOP draw
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MP1 is 43/9 over a small sample, CO is 33/6 and a fish. There's been lots of 1BB preflop raising going on (which I'm seeing a lot of at the Party Monster tables) so I'm pretty sure MP1 has AK/overpair when he pops it to 4X. What's your line?
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ Hero (7 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)
CO ($42.79)
Button ($296.20)
SB ($77.14)
Hero ($192.85)
UTG ($179.15)
MP1 ($100.65)
MP2 ($75.50)
Preflop: Hero is BB with 9 , T. SB posts a blind of $0.50.
1 fold, MP1 raises to $4, 1 fold, CO calls $4, 2 folds, Hero calls $3.
Flop: ($12.50) 3, 8, J (3 players)
Hero checks, MP1 bets $7, CO calls $7, Hero ???
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Jay67s
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Interesting hand.
Option 1: Push -- we are probably a favorite. will MP1 play for stacks here??
Option 2: Raise -- and call a push.
Option 3: Call -- and see what the turn brings.
(I would have led the flop for $9)
I probably would raise to $20. Take control of the action.
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Renton
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checkraise flop
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Warpe
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Good, I'm on the right page...
Flop: ($12.50) 3, 8, J (3 players)
Hero checks, MP1 bets $7, CO calls $7, Hero raises to $21, MP1 calls $89.65 (All-In), CO calls $31.79 (All-In), Hero calls $75.65.
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Renton
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make it 28
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Miffed22001
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i dont even think, i just c/rallin or lead then 3bet all in. You know he isnt folding AA so get him in while he cant fold.
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Renton
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miff stop betting 12x the pot thx
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Fnord
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This is why I'm check/calling here in a fishy action game.
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Renton
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Getting 32-55% equity in a three way ai is a great result.
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Fnord
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by Renton
Getting 32-55% equity in a three way ai is a great result.
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Check stack sizes, a lot of the money went in heads-up. Looks like most of it went in vs a big pair.
Board: Tc 8d 3d
Dead:
equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 48.8384 % 48.84% 00.00% { Td9d }
Hand 2: 51.1616 % 51.16% 00.00% { JJ+ }
I used to play hands like this all the time when I played in the super-fishy BoDog games. I've since wised up a bit and realized that they play so aweful on late streets and pay-off so much that flipping coins w/ over-lay doesn't get maximum value and causes lots of swings.
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Warpe
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Just to flip some cards up:
903 games 0.061 secs 14,803 games/sec
Board: 3d 8d Jc
Dead:
equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 51.8272 % 51.83% 00.00% { Td9d }
Hand 2: 33.1118 % 33.11% 00.00% { KcKs }
Hand 3: 15.0609 % 15.06% 00.00% { AdJs }
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Fnord
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Question is are you better off putting your Sklansky bucks in the bank on the flop or will your terrible opponents give you far more value on the turn + river?
Also, over half of the money behind went in heads-up.
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Warpe
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Originally Posted by Fnord
This is why I'm check/calling here in a fishy action game.
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If we just call here and the turn's a brick, we're check/calling again, right? Are we folding to a push?
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Fnord
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Originally Posted by Warpe
If we just call here and the turn's a brick, we're check/calling again, right? Are we folding to a push?
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It depends. It should be a very straight forward decision.
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Warpe
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by Fnord
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Originally Posted by Warpe
If we just call here and the turn's a brick, we're check/calling again, right? Are we folding to a push?
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It depends. It should be a very straight forward decision. |
I'm thinking that I'd have a hard time calling anything over a PSB if I miss on the turn, but that doesn't mean making my decisions easier is a good reason for getting it all-in on the flop either. I have to chew on this one for a while.
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Renton
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i think a big raise is the best standard play. With reads you can extract much more ev from just calling.
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nogenius
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Is this PF call standard?
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Renton
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not standard but def. plus ev if you can play postflop
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jackvance
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Standard for me here is to call.
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