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Fnord
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03-28-2005, 11:42 PM
Post subject: One more interesting spot
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Curious what you guys think of this one. From memory..
$200 NL, $1/$2 blinds
I have just over $200.
These guys suck really bad with a couple exceptions, none of those players are in this hand.
I have   UTG and make it $8.
2 callers with $75 and $120 stacks, then an unknown SB thinks, then pushes for $100, BB folds and the action is to you.
What's your play?
edit: SB stalled before making his play
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ilikeaces86
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Well Fnord what had do you expect to have beat here? Fold
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a500lbgorilla
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JESUS TAKE THE KEYBOARD
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It's not even a pot worth fighting over.
-'rilla
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Smithers, use the amnesia ray.
You mean the revolver, sir?
Precisely.
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ilikeaces86
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Im so confused. Fnord have you turned into a gambler since you switched to NL or what? Normally I thought you would know this is an easy fold.
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Fnord
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If the callers fold, there is $18 of dead money in the pot, subtract $3 for the rake. I'm already in for $8, making it $92 more to call for a chance to win $215.
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Fnord
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Originally Posted by ilikeaces86
Im so confused. Fnord have you turned into a gambler since you switched to NL or what?
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Limit taught me to have a casual disreguard both for money and the play of my opponents (until shown otherwise.)
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mcpeepants
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Unless I know this person was totally retarded I would fold, and then it would still take a second for me to call. Stalling could show that you have them beat, or it could show nothing. You called, he shows AQ and you win?
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Fnord
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A few similar hands...
Villian has $44 and I have him covered
I make it $8 UTG with  
Villian raises to $20, folded to me and I push.
I'm in the CO with  
One limper, same villian with $25 raises to $6, I re-raise to $25, folded to the villian who calls.
I'm in the SB with and have everyone covered.
UTG with $41 makes it $10, 2 loose players call ($252 and $162), folded to me and I push. UTG calls and the other 2 players fold.
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Fnord
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Originally Posted by mcpeepants
You called, he shows AQ and you win?
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He had A2o 
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Iconoclastic
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I heard somewhere that stalling meant they had AA and were thinking about what to do. Any reads at all? Although he could easily have a medium PP, if he does then your skill advantage in the future should lean you to a fold, and if he has a better hand then you should fold too.
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What's the difference between a large cheese pizza and a poker player?
A large cheese pizza can feed a family of four.
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Fnord
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Originally Posted by Iconoclastic
your skill advantage in the future should lean you to a fold.
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That's a really silly reason to fold, unless I would be giving up leverage. If he's an idiot I want to gamble with him before someone else takes his money.
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It seems almost like you're assuming your opponents never have a hand... What kind of VP$IP and PFR are you hitting?
How are you avoiding beats when you do run into a hand?
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Fnord
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Originally Posted by JeffreyGB
It seems almost like you're assuming your opponents never have a hand... What kind of VP$IP and PFR are you hitting?
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Don't know, this isn't on Party. I'm actually playing really tight.
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Originally Posted by JeffreyGB
How are you avoiding beats when you do run into a hand?
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You have to gamble to win the max.
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Iconoclastic
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Originally Posted by Fnord
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Originally Posted by Iconoclastic
your skill advantage in the future should lean you to a fold.
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That's a really silly reason to fold, unless I would be giving up leverage. If he's an idiot I want to gamble with him before someone else takes his money. |
What about not putting all your chips in against the unknown? You don't have to gamble with him YET- let him show an idiotic holding and then add him to your buddy list (hopefully that site has that function). Then hunt him down and empty his bankroll. Unless he bought in with his entire account you figure the EV gained from not gambling against the unknown will be greater than the EV lost from him never ever playing again.
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What's the difference between a large cheese pizza and a poker player?
A large cheese pizza can feed a family of four.
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Admerylous
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To the first post: I fold. Pretty quickly. That just isn't worth it to me. If they were suited I think about it and probably even call, though.
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Element187
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03-29-2005, 02:10 PM
Post subject: Re: One more interesting spot
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Originally Posted by Fnord
Curious what you guys think of this one. From memory..
$200 NL, $1/$2 blinds
I have just over $200.
These guys suck really bad with a couple exceptions, none of those players are in this hand.
I have UTG and make it $8.
2 callers with $75 and $120 stacks, then an unknown SB thinks, then pushes for $100, BB folds and the action is to you.
What's your play?
edit: SB stalled before making his play |
if i was paying attention earlier in the session and see what he was raising preflop for how much ... if hes turning over rags .. i'll make this call everyday of the week, otherwise, fold.
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