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Old 06-05-2008, 09:40 PM     Post subject: OK wow I need help #1 (permalink)  
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Today I played just horribly. Paying off on the river when I know I should fold, not maximizing value when I have a strong hand, whatever. For a lot of the big hands today, I deserved to lose money. But some of them, I may have made the right play and they were just coolers - I'm just a little too tilted right now to figure it out. Here's a few.

Hand 1: How not to play a low set - Villain 27/7/2
His massive reraise threw me for a loop, but I was thinking, hell I wanted to get the money in anyways... I didn't raise flop as I figured there were no draws anywhere and raising would put my cards face up, but now I look there are way too many players in to not raise. I didn't notice or something?

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UTG ($250.85)
UTG+1 ($126.20)
MP1 ($118)
MP2 ($107)
CO ($107.40)
Hero ($147.60)
SB ($20.50)
BB ($35.15)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 4, 4.
UTG calls $1, UTG+1 calls $1, MP1 calls $1, MP2 calls $1, 1 fold, Hero calls $1, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($7) 2, 4, T (7 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 bets $3, MP1 calls $3, MP2 folds, Hero calls $3, SB folds, BB folds, UTG calls $3.

Turn: ($19) 7 (4 players)
UTG checks, UTG+1 bets $4, MP1 folds, Hero raises to $19, UTG raises to $100, UTG+1 folds, Hero raises to $143.6, UTG calls $43.60.

River: ($310.20) 5 (2 players)

Final Pot: $310.20


Hand 2: AA on dry board - villain 51/9/3.5
OK this one I'm 99% sure I played fine but whatever.

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UTG ($33.10)
UTG+1 ($87.10)
MP1 ($53.65)
MP2 ($85.60)
MP3 ($119.60)
CO ($133)
Button ($49.45)
Hero ($102.50)
BB ($135.45)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A, A.
5 folds, CO raises to $4, 1 fold, Hero raises to $14, BB calls $13, CO folds.

Flop: ($32) 3, 8, 4 (2 players)
Hero bets $23, BB calls $23.

Turn: ($78) 9 (2 players)
Hero bets $65.5 (All-In), BB calls $65.50.

River: ($0) 6 (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $209

Hand 3: Never mind, I'm not even posting this; it's too idiotic. For everyone else's benefit, when a nit donks the flop and checkraises the turn, he's serious.

Hand 4: KK - villain 28/12/4
I'm not sure why the 3bet preflop was so small, probably a misclick. On turn I wasn't sure and on river I felt I was probably beat but he was giving a pretty good price and he's real aggro, so...?

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BB ($20)
UTG ($111.25)
MP ($63.15)
CO ($120.55)
Button ($97.50)
Hero ($148.80)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K, K.
UTG raises to $3, 3 folds, Hero raises to $8, 1 fold, UTG calls $5.

Flop: ($17) 7, T, J (2 players)
Hero bets $11, UTG calls $11.

Turn: ($39) 2 (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $22, Hero calls $22.

River: ($83) 9 (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $36, Hero calls $36.

Final Pot: $155



There's more but I figure this is more than long enough to be asking people to read.
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Old 06-05-2008, 09:54 PM #2 (permalink)  
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 hand 1: cooler against 77, you played it fine.

hand 2: fine

hand 3: fine


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Old 06-05-2008, 10:11 PM #3 (permalink)  
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1) fine

2) fine

3) lol yes i agree

4) fine
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Old 06-05-2008, 10:20 PM #4 (permalink)  
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Hand 1: Nice call Drew, exactly right. But was I right to shove?

Nice to know you guys agree with my plays. Guess it's just a matter of keepin' on keepin' on.
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Old 06-05-2008, 10:35 PM #5 (permalink)  
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Hand 1: Nice call Drew, exactly right. But was I right to shove?
hellz no it was not a good shove. it's so obvious villain has 77.

jk played it perfect
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Old 06-05-2008, 10:41 PM #6 (permalink)  
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hand 1: i probably raise something on the flop to build a pot early.
hand 2: good. Sometimes, i c/r shove on the turn vs LAGG.
hand 3: Just refuse to pay off when nits c/r on the turn.
hand 4: raise more preflop, Man-size bet on flop and bet on the turn vs this semi-fishy stat.
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o yeah i meant to say hand 4 needs to be 11 ish pre.
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Old 06-05-2008, 10:52 PM #8 (permalink)  
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yah I know. Like I said, misclick or smth. It happens when I play 20 tables with a gamepad.
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yah I know. Like I said, misclick or smth. It happens when I play 20 tables with a gamepad.
I folded AA UTG yesterday
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yeah, if you raised more preflop and bet more on the flop, there's no reason to not stack off on the turn in 3 bet pot. If i were you, i'd probably c/r all-in on the turn vs this retarded aggro.
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yah I know. Like I said, misclick or smth. It happens when I play 20 tables with a gamepad.
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 hand one gotta raise flop. it doesn't make you face up, but even if it does then so what, there are so many hands in that a number can hit straights.

it will boil down to how im feeling in game, but turn is a fold, even tho i dont like saying it. talk about face up, his hand is so much. there are no 2p or draws he can have, and there are more oversets than undersets. as he played flop its even more likely that he doens't have 22 since that shit raises. hes got you crushed or bluffed, and it aint bluffed
 
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I like to raise #1 PF, these guys are so weak, u have position and pick up the dead money often enough. Don´t adjust your ranges that much to limpers in front of you (I assume you´re opening 44 here like 100%?). As played raise flop. For value AND for protection. You´re up against 6 other players, one of them just lead out into 6, which means he will never ever fold to a decent raise. Given board texture we may think "hey they couldn´t have more than two outs, but 4 of them have 8 outs and we´re in a very reverse implied spot if they hit. As played the turn sucks so bad, yet I wont fold. Too many people fuck up their big pairs like this when they´re trying to get tricky.


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 It seems like it's becoming the popular thing to fold sets lately.
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Old 06-06-2008, 05:38 PM #14 (permalink)  
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It seems like it's becoming the popular thing to fold sets lately.
I think it's perfect timing because villains are hitting higher sets more frequently these days.
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It seems like it's becoming the popular thing to fold sets lately.
I think it's perfect timing because villains are hitting higher sets more frequently these days.
Bottom set does great when people limp crap, call down with top pair and go nuts with 2 pair (bascially, live games.) In un-raised multi-way pots in tighter games, this doesn't happen.
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