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Keilah

05-20-2008, 10:02 PM Post subject: Oh, woe is me

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Wow I just lost 4.5 BI's over 4k hands, mostly through stuff like this where villain plays bad, then a card hits that helps me but helps him more. Villain in this hand was 46/17/1

A) Was I right to call this, and B)If we're far ahead of a sensible player's range, but a loose/passive donator starts betting strong, do we just assume he has the nuts and fold? Or go ahead and stack off?

PokerStars Game #17572210508: Hold'em No Limit ($0.25/$0.50) - 2008/05/20 - 17:32:34 (ET)
Table 'Devosa IV' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: andre1202198 ($45.45 in chips)
Seat 2: mikey2bots ($113.95 in chips)
Seat 3: Koldan ($9.25 in chips)
Seat 4: JayG_king ($79.75 in chips)
Seat 5: TwoSmeets ($53.90 in chips)
Seat 6: Klesh24 ($45.55 in chips)
Seat 7: rwesty ($64.55 in chips)
Seat 9: Ken2it ($33.15 in chips)
andre1202198: posts small blind $0.25
mikey2bots: posts big blind $0.50
kw-armaturen: sits out
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to TwoSmeets [Jd Js]
Koldan: folds
JayG_king: folds
TwoSmeets: raises $1.50 to $2
Klesh24: calls $2
rwesty: folds
Ken2it: folds
andre1202198: folds
mikey2bots: folds
*** FLOP *** [7h Td Ad]
TwoSmeets: bets $3
Klesh24: calls $3
*** TURN *** [7h Td Ad] [Jh]
TwoSmeets: bets $6.75
Klesh24: raises $33.80 to $40.55 and is all-in
TwoSmeets: calls $33.80
*** RIVER *** [7h Td Ad Jh] [4c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
TwoSmeets: shows [Jd Js] (three of a kind, Jacks)
Klesh24: shows [Kc Qh] (a straight, Ten to Ace)
Klesh24 collected $88.85 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $91.85 | Rake $3
Board [7h Td Ad Jh 4c]
Seat 1: andre1202198 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: mikey2bots (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: Koldan folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: JayG_king folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: TwoSmeets showed [Jd Js] and lost with three of a kind, Jacks
Seat 6: Klesh24 showed [Kc Qh] and won ($88.85) with a straight, Ten to Ace
Seat 7: rwesty folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: Ken2it (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)

K this one I think was tiltly I should have folded to his shove I think. Villain is an 11/7/3 reg and basically never ever has 22 or 8x here.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (9 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

UTG+1 ($54.95)
MP1 ($63.30)
MP2 ($68.05)
Hero ($50.90)
CO ($14)
Button ($56.35)
SB ($49.50)
BB ($49.60)
UTG ($14.95)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with K

, K

.
3 folds, MP2 raises to $2, Hero raises to $6.75, 4 folds, MP2 calls $4.75.

Flop: ($14.25) 8

, 8

, 2

(2 players)
MP2 bets $8.85, Hero raises to $18, MP2 raises to $61.3, Hero calls $26.15 (All-In).

Turn: ($102.55) Q

(2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($102.55) 9

(2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $102.55

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badgers

05-20-2008, 10:55 PM

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Both look fine imo. Hand 1 villain is bad enough to have aces up and treat it like the nuts here. Hand 2 this is AA a lot but also QQ/JJ so it's fine without better reads. I probs just call his flop donkbet though.

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05-21-2008, 10:02 AM Post subject: Re: Oh, woe is me

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Keilah

B)If we're far ahead of a sensible player's range, but a loose/passive donator starts betting strong...

Its expensive to pick a fight with TPTK-like hands when a truly passive guy suddenly goes nuts.

Hand 1 looks fine tho, as badgers says, he´s overplaying Aces up everytime.

Folding hand 2 would prolly be a mistake. If he 4bet pre we´d stack off anyway, why fold now when his range is more weightened towards QQ/JJ given his flat pre?

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sweetlemon69

05-21-2008, 06:53 PM

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See to me, in hand 1, I check the flop as V will play any ace, and an AF of 1 with a vpip of 47 is somewhat aggessive, so we A) keep the pot small and B) [scared to say this with the recent posts

] see where we're at. I see V betting a TP crap kicker here with those stats. Am I thinking to simple minded here? Please correct me if I'm wrong

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05-21-2008, 07:24 PM

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Both are played fine. Except for maybe hand 2 where it's obvious villain has AA.

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05-21-2008, 11:07 PM

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Take hand 1 here http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...l-bad-f42.html

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Keilah

05-22-2008, 01:33 AM Post subject: Re: Oh, woe is me

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Quote:

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Keilah

B)If we're far ahead of a sensible player's range, but a loose/passive donator starts betting strong...

I'm talking less TPTK and more 'sets on a board where the only hand that beats us is a gapper that called a bet or two with a gutshot and now villain is going crazy'. Because gappers are always in a loose/passive's range, and flat calling with only 4 outs is always a weapon in his arsenal.

Probably I'm just upset cuz I got hit with a cooler like this every 600 hands or so.

Nice to know everyone's agreeing (or almost agreeing) with my plays though.

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05-24-2008, 09:03 PM

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4.5 BI in 4k hands is nothing to worry about. dont sweat it.

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