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Old 03-30-2007, 05:10 PM     Post subject: OESD and a pure bluff on the river #1 (permalink)  
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What are your opinions on this play, considering that this is within the first 10 hands I saw opponent play, and haven't noticed him in that time.

I call the min raise because of my OESD, and the turn bet is either weak, or is asking for a call. If he was wanting a call on the turn though, wouldn't he value bet the river?

Does my river bet seem out of place with my actions - particularly does it look like I have an A here?

EverestPoker Game #1327467481: Table Berlin-18 - $0.25/$0.50 - No Limit Hold'em - 16:18:20 - 2007/03/30
Seat 1: Gaulede12 ($9.50)
Seat 2: S@m35 ($49.50)
Seat 3: flyingPeng1 ($78.44)
Seat 4: xav3314 ($15.15)
Seat 5: popy69 ($8.25)
Seat 6: Nicola82 ($30.29)
Seat 7: Jelmersma ($50.00)
Seat 8: greece666 ($19.85)
Seat 9: XMarsX ($46.50)
Seat 10: Reloaded2 ($50.00)
Jelmersma posts the small blind of $0.25
greece666 posts the big blind of $0.50
The button is in seat #5
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to flyingPeng1[Td Jc]
XMarsX folds
Reloaded2 folds
Gaulede12 folds
S@m35 folds
flyingPeng1 raises to $1.75
xav3314 folds
popy69 folds
Jelmersma calls $1.50
greece666 folds
*** FLOP *** [Ad Qh 8d]
Jelmersma checks
flyingPeng1 bets $2.75
Jelmersma raises to $5.50
flyingPeng1 calls $2.75
*** TURN *** [Ad Qh 8d] [Qd]
Jelmersma bets $5.50
flyingPeng1 calls $5.50
*** RIVER *** [Ad Qh 8d Qd] [As]
Jelmersma checks
flyingPeng1 bets $20.00
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Old 03-31-2007, 07:04 PM #2 (permalink)  
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 I'd fold the turn almost everytime, that was a bad card.

Do you normally raise TJo from the HJ?

As for the river, his check does looks kinda weak but I'd like to know if villian can fold here.

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Old 03-31-2007, 07:15 PM #3 (permalink)  
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 Will he fold 88? Doesn't he have QQ quite a bit?

He makes the donk play of betting on the turn what he essentially (with the raise) bet on the flop.

So, let's assume he doesn't have an Ace. I think your river bet is too big. I believe $15 will get the job done just as easily as $20-$25. It's a good spot to bluff b/c unless he has QQ he's not c/bombing the river. He should have led an Ace here and he should definitely be capable of folding a flush/8's full.
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Old 03-31-2007, 08:32 PM #4 (permalink)  
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Fold to flop c/mr. Fold turn. Check behind river.
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Old 03-31-2007, 08:44 PM #5 (permalink)  
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Fold turn.
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Old 04-01-2007, 01:37 AM #6 (permalink)  
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Fold to flop c/mr.
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Old 04-01-2007, 03:30 AM #7 (permalink)  
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Fold to flop c/mr.
The only reason I would do this is if a flush draw is a large part of his range right?. I'm getting good odds here otherwise. I'm much more concerned about the turn call. If I had any read that he was in any way a solid player it would definitely have been a fold.

I don't think this villain has QQ here very often at all. That's from a general average player here read, not player specific.

I can see that the bet might be too big. I would probably bet less with an A, and a donk with a Q might check/call any bet here.
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Old 04-01-2007, 04:41 AM #8 (permalink)  
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Misread the hand, sorry. Fold turn still stands though.
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