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pokerfan
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02-19-2008, 05:43 PM
Post subject: nuts flush pair draw facing checkraise shove on flop
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folks, this is another 1/2 nl live hand i recently played in my local card room. My opponent(semi-loose) is a tricky guy who like to raise small with small-medium pockets. Utg limped, MP3($300) raised to $7, hero($285) called with :As:  on the button, small blind($210) called.
flop came out    , UTG checked, MP3 checked, hero bet $22, small blind called, MP3 shoved all-in , hero??
should i call his shove this deep given good pot equity Vs his range?
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sweetlemon69
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If I've read this right, and you're on the button, why didn't you take the free card? Any pocket pair pretty much beats you here if you don't hit the flush/A, and opp could have 88-TT? Then again, since you said he bets small with just pairs ,maybe he already hit his set (77?)
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pokerfan
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i bet out on the button because i thought its a good opportunity to take down this sexy pot right on the flop but i didnt really expect this guy to checkraise shove here. Based on my reads, i havent seen him do this before after raising preflop. I'm just wondering if its justified to call this shove given my OK pot equity against his likely range(77+, 33, 66, 45s, 450) with small blind to act behind.
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If I've read this right, and you're on the button, why didn't you take the free card? Any pocket pair pretty much beats you here if you don't hit the flush/A, and opp could have 88-TT? Then again, since you said he bets small with just pairs ,maybe he already hit his set (77?)
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d0zer
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This seems like it's most likely to be an overpair, no?
vs overpairs you've got 14 or worst case 12 outs.
vs set/straight you've got 9 outs
He's overbetting the pot pretty huge on the flop ($250 into $50ish?)...so you don't have odds to call if he's got a set/straight, but you do if he's got overpair or worse. Is this right?
Would he do this with a set, or would he slowplay it?
I guess I call, but I'm a gamblin' man... 
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nutsinho
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lol why are u giving credit for a set or better?
i snap call btw
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sweetlemon69
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lol why are u giving credit for a set or better?
i snap call btw
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Why exactly? Just curious.
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sweetlemon69
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02-19-2008, 07:37 PM
Post subject: Re: nuts flush pair draw facing checkraise shove on flop
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Originally Posted by pokerfan
should i call his shove this deep given good pot equity Vs his range?
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Could you break down how you figure you have good pot equity vs his range and such? I'm not second guessing you, I just want to make sure my understanding of equity is correct.
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pokerfan
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02-19-2008, 10:51 PM
Post subject: Re: nuts flush pair draw facing checkraise shove on flop
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ok, in live games its hard to figure out whats exactly our pot equity against his range we put him on, roughly i guess 40% around. after reviewing our hand in pokerstove, we just figured out what math is telling us  so common sense is i should definitely gamble here given our shared pot equity, right?
61,380 games 0.060 secs 1,023,000 games/sec
Board: 7s 6s 3c
Dead:
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 44.383% 44.02% 00.36% 27019 223.50 { As3s }
Hand 1: 55.617% 55.25% 00.36% 33914 223.50 { 66+, 33, 54s, 54o }
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should i call his shove this deep given good pot equity Vs his range?
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Could you break down how you figure you have good pot equity vs his range and such? I'm not second guessing you, I just want to make sure my understanding of equity is correct. |
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Fnord
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You'll see crap like K8s, worse flush draws and such here often enough that you probably have even better equity than that.
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Deanglow
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lol why are u giving credit for a set or better?
i snap call btw
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This is a very easy call.
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pokerfan
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thanks guys for your awesome input here. As played, i was really confused and thought a long time before folding to his huge C/R shove aggression. He told me he had 99 afterwards and made a move on me knowing that i like to bet out IP when checked to.
side note: i did bet into the flop with flopped set on button in multiway pot when he checked/ folded 99 in a similar situation.
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