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Old 05-26-2006, 12:33 AM     Post subject: Nut straight, ugly board. #1 (permalink)  
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 How badly did I screw this up on both turn and river? I'm new at the table, so no reads.

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UTG+2 ($5.40)
MP1 ($42.21)
MP2 ($12.10)
MP3 ($10.70)
Hero ($24.65)
Button ($10.10)
SB ($16.80)
BB ($51.91)
UTG ($29.45)
UTG+1 ($24.30)

Preflop: Hero is CO with K, A. SB posts a blind of $0.10.
3 folds, MP1 raises to $0.8, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.80, Button calls $0.80, 1 fold, BB calls $0.55.
<-- I vary between reraising and smooth calling with AK here.

Flop: ($3.30) Q, Q, J (4 players)
BB checks, MP1 checks, Hero checks, Button checks.

Turn: ($3.30) T (4 players)
BB bets $3, MP1 calls $3, Hero raises to $10, Button folds, BB folds, MP1 calls $7.
<-- Ok, hit the nut straight, but JJ, TT, QJ and maybe QT are possible hands that all crush me. Both villains look interrested, so I make a semi-small raise planning to fold to heavy aggression (i.e. one caller and a push). Do I raise more here (folding just seems incredibly weak)?

River: ($26.30) 8 (2 players)
MP1 checks, Hero bets $13.85, MP1 calls $13.85
<--when he smooth called turn, at the time I put him on a slow played queen of some sort, although a boat with JJ and TT is obviously an option. A flush with AcQc is also a possibillity.

I figure any queen will pay me off, as will a 9 that has somehow managed to sneak in there. My reasoning for pushing is that not many people will check a boat or a flush to me here (looking back, the smooth call on the turn actually probably is exactly what a boat would do).

How much is to be won from someone with a Q as opposed to me losing my stack to a boat? Good push, or is a check behind in order here?

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Old 05-26-2006, 12:37 AM #2 (permalink)  
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id raise the turn to 12...10 is fine it doesnt really matter. check behind river
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Old 05-26-2006, 12:52 AM #3 (permalink)  
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 Thanks. Thinking back I guess this is about as easy a "check behind"-river as they come. Going back to the turn, I'll have to fold to a turn push from either villain, right?

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 I think this is fine, if you are raising the turn, it's with the intention of getting it allin.

Calling the turn and calling a bet, or value betting if checked to is another option.
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i like your play except your absolutely right, its impossible to know where youre at after checking the flop, but it wudnt have made sense to bet it...i think you played this as well as you couldve, what happened btw? did he have u beat?
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Old 05-26-2006, 02:10 AM #6 (permalink)  
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 He made a (probably crying) call with AsQs.

I agree with bair that checking behind is the best move on this river after the play up to that point. But do we want to get AI on turn here more often than not?

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