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Warpe
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06-13-2006, 02:42 PM
Post subject: Nut flush draw against half-buy
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Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)
SB ($96.40)
BB ($104.60)
UTG ($44.50)
UTG+1 ($50.36)
MP1 ($101)
MP2 ($95.50)
MP3 ($39)
Hero ($146.60)
Button ($88.80)
Preflop: Hero is CO with A , 3. SB posts a blind of $0.50.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $1, 3 folds, Hero calls $1, Button raises to $3.5, SB (poster) calls $3, 1 fold, UTG+1 calls $2.50, Hero calls $2.50.
Flop: ($15) T , 2, K (4 players)
SB checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero bets $8, Button folds, SB folds, UTG+1 raises to $46.86 (all-in) Hero ????
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Robert
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I fold with the odds you are getting. You are up against twopair or a set to often here to make a call profitable.
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Warpe
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Originally Posted by Robert
I fold with the odds you are getting. You are up against twopair or a set to often here to make a call profitable.
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Yeah, that's the book version, but laying bad beats on shortstacks is a hobby of mine.  (I got called every name in the book on this one.)
I guess the real question I'm asking is how loose do you get against shorties? I tend to gambool a lot more when I know my downside is limited, which is no doubt a leak...but definitely fun 
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andy-akb
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When your opponent is all in your answer comes down to math really. Put him on a range [we cant since you didnt give any reads], count your outs, see if you are getting the odds to make the call. If you are getting the odds, call. If you arent getting the odds, dont.
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Robert
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Hehe, I kinda have the same "leak" too. I'm in a bad habit thinking that AJ is a monster against a shortstack with 25BB, bleh.
You shouldnt be giving shortstacks as much respect as full buys, but a checkraise allin on the flopin with 50BBs you have to respect. I see shortstacks with 20-30BB do this alot with TPWK and flush and straight draws though - but 50BB deep is somewhat different.
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Warpe
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Originally Posted by Robert
I'm in a bad habit thinking that AJ is a monster against a shortstack with 25BB, bleh.
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I hear ya. I'm much more likely to felt TPWK against a shortie. Funny thing is, I think I'm more profitable than not doing this.
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Lukie
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This is a really easy call.
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Robert
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Originally Posted by Lukie
This is a really easy call.
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Please elaborate
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samsonite2100
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Lukie, how many outs would you consider us having? If we go w/ the 9 flush cards, we're a dog. In any case, I wouldn't say it's an easy call. It's extremely marginal at best.
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zook
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Originally Posted by andy-akb
When your opponent is all in your answer comes down to math really. Put him on a range [we cant since you didnt give any reads], count your outs, see if you are getting the odds to make the call. If you are getting the odds, call. If you arent getting the odds, dont.
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It's pretty interesting what happens when you run it through Pokerstove. You have to put in $39 to win $70, so you should be getting better than 1.8:1 to call. If you put him on a tight range, it's a fold, but very close to 0EV:
Board: Th 2c Kc
Dead:
equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 34.5414 % 34.38% 00.16% { Ac3c }
Hand 2: 65.4586 % 65.30% 00.16% { TT, 22, AKs, KTs, QcJc, AKo, KTo }
When you start including more drawing hands, like QJo, or non-nut flush draws, a call becomes +EV.
I think I call here, because I don't give unknown short-stacks much credit and an all-in check-raise could be a draw.
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samsonite2100
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Ah, yeah, I misread the amount to call push as $47 instead of $39. Yeah, this is a call.
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