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dsaxton

10-12-2005, 03:22 AM Post subject: A novel way of playing a flopped full house.

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PokerStars Game #2782965824: Hold'em No Limit ($2/$4) - 2005/10/11 - 23:17:01 (ET)
Table 'Thalassa III' Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: markj622 ($156 in chips)
Seat 2: JAMEST1 ($1019.65 in chips)
Seat 3: -wArA- ($472.20 in chips)
Seat 4: rdegs21 ($462.55 in chips)
Seat 5: oonyceguyoo ($389.50 in chips)
Seat 6: FearlessPhil ($310.35 in chips)
Seat 7: lenuts ($426 in chips)
Seat 8: dsaxton ($400 in chips)
Seat 9: rezanyc ($466.45 in chips)
oonyceguyoo: posts small blind $2
FearlessPhil: posts big blind $4
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to dsaxton [6c 6d]
lenuts: folds
dsaxton: calls $4
rezanyc: folds
markj622: folds
JAMEST1: folds
-wArA-: calls $4
rdegs21: folds
oonyceguyoo: folds
FearlessPhil: checks
*** FLOP *** [6s Tc Td]
FearlessPhil: checks
dsaxton: bets $396 and is all-in
-wArA-: folds
FearlessPhil: calls $306.35 and is all-in
*** TURN *** [6s Tc Td] [Kh]
*** RIVER *** [6s Tc Td Kh] [8c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
FearlessPhil: shows [Th 4d] (three of a kind, Tens)
dsaxton: shows [6c 6d] (a full house, Sixes full of Tens)
dsaxton collected $623.70 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $626.70 | Rake $3
Board [6s Tc Td Kh 8c]
Seat 1: markj622 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: JAMEST1 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: -wArA- folded on the Flop
Seat 4: rdegs21 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: oonyceguyoo (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: FearlessPhil (big blind) showed [Th 4d] and lost with three of a kind, Tens
Seat 7: lenuts folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: dsaxton showed [6c 6d] and won ($623.70) with a full house, Sixes full of Tens
Seat 9: rezanyc folded before Flop (didn't bet)

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mxiu

10-12-2005, 03:50 AM

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Hahah, interesting play. I can't believe he called.

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10-12-2005, 04:46 AM

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10-12-2005, 04:49 AM

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What was your reason for pushing anyways?

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10-12-2005, 05:09 AM

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you know, this play isn't as bad as it looks, if anyone didn't have the T, they probably wouldn't have put another dollar in the pot anyways

well played, and smart thinkin

take your ego out of the equation and judge the situation dispassionately

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10-12-2005, 05:27 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by mxiu

What was your reason for pushing anyways?

To put a player with a 10 to an all-in decision when he has very little reason to think he's behind. To a player with trip 10's, my bet makes no sense. He probably suspects I'd want to get some sort of value if I also had a 10 or a full house. I'm betting all my money on what looks like some kind of an absurd bluff.

As jmontis said, no one was getting involved without a 10 anyways, and I thought this might be the best way to bust a player with one by confusing him into calling off all his chips.

Probably won't work in general, but I thought it was worth trying.

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10-12-2005, 08:17 AM

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I suppose. I just know under regular circumstances, I'm not going to throw $300 into a pot when I've only invested $4 and I definitely don't have close to the nuts. Don't you think in most cases, someone with a 10 will fold in this situation? Maybe I'm looking too far into the fact that he made a big mistake and called with a 4 kicker that's throwing me off. I suppose AT could call it down? Or am I completely wrong there?

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10-12-2005, 08:29 AM

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Glad it worked out. Just can't believe he would call with a 4 kick.

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10-14-2005, 07:58 PM

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That's a really interesting play. I'll have to add that to my arsenal.

It would never call that bet, though. No one would risk $300 to win $14 unless he was sure he had the nuts. Since 6T is a really unlikely hand, I'd put you on 66 and fold immediately.

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dsaxton

10-14-2005, 08:03 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by silverfist

Just betting all-in is admittedly sort of silly. I was just experimenting, but it's definitely good to overbet in these situations and try to get the player with trips all-in.

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10-14-2005, 11:11 PM

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haha I love it.

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10-15-2005, 09:42 AM

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I have used the same move a few times, usualy when I'm sure someone has (or should have) the trips.

I have alsow been put on the spot with this move once and even if I only had a mid kicker, it was rather hard to fold. I would not use it vs all opp, but sometimes its golden.

Trips with crap kicker is many times worse then tp with crap kicker, as you wont get any action unless you are behind and folding gets harder.

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10-18-2005, 03:55 PM

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Normally, you waste so much value here as to be TON of value here by going AI. However, if you had gone AI several times before, on what looked like obvious steals, then someone could auto-call this with a pair.

So, to make this profitable, you would have to have a really LAGGY image for it to pay off, IMO, or just get lucky that they had a T.

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10-19-2005, 04:05 AM

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Very interesting to say the least. I don't even see how he can call with AT there.

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10-19-2005, 04:42 AM

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The guy's name is FearlessPhil for a reason

Quote:

Originally Posted by lambchopdc

Lets stop talking ABC poker and move on to D, E, and F.

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11-08-2005, 10:14 PM

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I took a chapter out of Dsaxton's book.

PokerStars Game #3006991025: Hold'em No Limit ($0.25/$0.50) - 2005/11/08 - 18:05:39 (ET)
Table 'Kokkola' Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: rychy21 ($28 in chips)
Seat 2: hugothegreat ($24.70 in chips)
Seat 3: mmvpetersen ($19.50 in chips)
Seat 4: balddaddy ($47.05 in chips)
Seat 5: LinShiFu88 ($48 in chips)
Seat 6: Airbornmj ($38 in chips)
Seat 7: rebuyman ($154.15 in chips)
Seat 8: 3321 ($65.30 in chips)
Seat 9: RBSurfer ($49 in chips)
rebuyman: posts small blind $0.25
3321: posts big blind $0.50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to rebuyman [4d 4h]
RBSurfer: calls $0.50
rychy21: folds
hugothegreat: folds
mmvpetersen: folds
balddaddy: calls $0.50
LinShiFu88: calls $0.50
Airbornmj: folds
rebuyman: calls $0.25
3321: checks
*** FLOP *** [Ts Td 4c]
rebuyman: bets $153.65 and is all-in
3321: folds
RBSurfer said, "44 huh?"
RBSurfer said, "lol"
RBSurfer: folds
balddaddy: calls $46.55 and is all-in
LinShiFu88: folds
*** TURN *** [Ts Td 4c] [5c]
*** RIVER *** [Ts Td 4c 5c] [2h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
rebuyman: shows [4d 4h] (a full house, Fours full of Tens)
balddaddy: mucks hand
rebuyman said, "yuop"
rebuyman collected $92.60 from pot
RBSurfer said, "obvious"
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $95.60 | Rake $3
Board [Ts Td 4c 5c 2h]
Seat 1: rychy21 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: hugothegreat folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: mmvpetersen folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: balddaddy mucked [Tc Kh]
Seat 5: LinShiFu88 folded on the Flop
Seat 6: Airbornmj (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: rebuyman (small blind) showed [4d 4h] and won ($92.60) with a full house, Fours full of Tens
Seat 8: 3321 (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 9: RBSurfer folded on the Flop

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11-08-2005, 11:55 PM

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It doesn'tr seem that unorthodox to me. Seems when you flop a boat on this type of flop, you need to defend you hand. The only hand that will play is another 2 pair with a higher kicker, and always those trips will stay in the hand. And when that 10 catches the last 10 or his kicker, you are dead.

I don't know what they have to say
It makes no difference anyway.
Whatever it is...
I'm against it.

Muxy

11-09-2005, 03:59 AM

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I like htis play a lot. Sometimes it looks like an overpair too going FUCK paired board.

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11-09-2005, 04:45 AM

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I pull this kinda $hit all the time. Works sometimes, sometimes it doesn't, but when it does it sure is funny.

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11-09-2005, 11:35 PM

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Where i come form, king-ten off-suit is the nuts.

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