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Old 03-19-2006, 09:34 AM     Post subject: Not a nice river... #1 (permalink)  
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No reads on opp. Do you guys bet the river? As played, do you guys call the river? What would I be beating?

PokerStars Game #4338896383: Hold'em No Limit ($0.50/$1.00) - 2006/03/19 - 05:22:26 (ET)
Table 'Weber' Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: garyfmarsh ($97.50 in chips)
Seat 2: PachinkoPro ($51.10 in chips)
Seat 3: bmoney126 ($63.05 in chips)
Seat 4: GIBillsFan ($55.10 in chips)
Seat 5: sprboo19 ($64 in chips)
Seat 6: Hero ($73 in chips)
Seat 7: Blue Maniac ($101.50 in chips)
Seat 8: lethal2429 ($103.80 in chips)
Seat 9: tequila19 ($41.40 in chips)
sprboo19: posts small blind $0.50
Hero: posts big blind $1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Blue Maniac: calls $1
lethal2429: folds
tequila19: folds
garyfmarsh: folds
PachinkoPro: calls $1
bmoney126: calls $1
GIBillsFan: calls $1
sprboo19: calls $0.50
Hero: checks [AdQc]
*** FLOP *** [Qd Jh As]
sprboo19: checks
Hero: bets $3
Blue Maniac: folds
PachinkoPro: folds
bmoney126: calls $3
GIBillsFan: folds
sprboo19: folds
*** TURN *** [Qd Jh As] [7h]
Hero: bets $8
bmoney126: calls $8
*** RIVER *** [Qd Jh As 7h] [Tc]
Hero: bets $15
bmoney126: raises $15 to $30
Hero?
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Old 03-19-2006, 10:13 AM #2 (permalink)  
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Raise preflop
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Old 03-19-2006, 10:20 AM #3 (permalink)  
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Raise preflop
To spew chips? Anyone else?
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Old 03-19-2006, 10:54 AM #4 (permalink)  
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Against a typical opponent, it's a river fold.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBvge-c2_Xg
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Old 03-19-2006, 12:51 PM #5 (permalink)  
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Raise preflop
To spew chips? Anyone else?
Sorry for my bad english in the previous post.

Raise preflop
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Old 03-19-2006, 12:57 PM #6 (permalink)  
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Raise preflop
To spew chips? Anyone else?
To punish the weak players limping in in front of you.
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Old 03-19-2006, 01:01 PM #7 (permalink)  
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Checking your option is fine. It really depends on how you want to play the hand.

If I raise this pre-flop, I would jack it up to $10, rep AA/KK and look to play some 2 street bingo.
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Old 03-19-2006, 11:39 PM #8 (permalink)  
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Is it really EV+ to raise AQo in BB with 5 limpers?
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Old 03-19-2006, 11:41 PM #9 (permalink)  
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Is it really EV+ to raise AQo in BB with 5 limpers?
It depends on how much you raise and how the table is playing, IMHO. My other concern is that by blowing limpers out of the pot you might be discouraging them from continuing to limp with weak hands that they will horribly misplay post-flop.
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Old 03-19-2006, 11:49 PM #10 (permalink)  
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Also, do you guys bet the river here? Or would it be better to check and try for a cheap showdown?
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Old 03-19-2006, 11:51 PM #11 (permalink)  
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On the river I like check/calling a reasonable bet. As played I fold to the raise. All you beat is a bluff. Also, since it is a small limped pot, I would bet full pot on flop and turn, and puke on the river.

As for the preflop check or raise decision, I agree 100% with Fnord's analysis.
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Old 03-19-2006, 11:51 PM #12 (permalink)  
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check/call
(blocking)bet/fold
(value)bet/fold
even check/fold
are all resonable lines. Depends on what you think of him.
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Old 03-20-2006, 01:02 AM #13 (permalink)  
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Can you explain the whole idea behind a blocking bet? What does it accomplish, and how much would it be in this case?
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Old 03-20-2006, 01:15 AM #14 (permalink)  
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$8-10
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Old 03-20-2006, 01:19 AM #15 (permalink)  
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"Can you explain the whole idea behind a blocking bet? What does it accomplish"

That part too?
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Old 03-20-2006, 01:24 AM #16 (permalink)  
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Worse hands call or fold instead of checking behind or making a difficult to call bluff.
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