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the nutz
Old 06-26-2006, 09:52 PM     Post subject: Not aggressive enough? #1 (permalink)  

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Was this guy a fish who didn't see the flush? Did I not bet enough on the turn to convince him I had it?

Or am I just a bad poker player altogether who should not bluff at a pot ever again?

Just sat down at the table maybe 10 hands earlier.

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No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.50/$1
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $45
UTG+1: $59
CO: $6.75
Button: $0.45
SB: $3.75
georgtbone: $25

Pre-flop: (6 players) georgtbone is BB with 4 K
UTG calls, UTG+1 folds, CO raises to $5, Button folds, SB calls, georgtbone calls, UTG folds.

Flop: 6 5 3 ($16, 3 players)
SB checks, georgtbone checks, CO checks.

Turn: J ($16, 3 players)
SB checks, georgtbone bets $15, CO calls, SB folds.

River: 3 ($46, 2 players)
georgtbone bets $30, CO calls.

Results:
Final pot: $106
CO balance 9.75 bet collected 3 net Jc Qd
georgtbone balance 25 lost 4h Kh
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andy-akb
Old 06-26-2006, 10:10 PM #2 (permalink)  
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These stack sizes are really messed up, the neildewurst [sp?] converter does that a lot, is that what you used? If you are going to try to push somebody off their hand by representing a flush I guess this would be an ok line to take, but does a flush suddenly make a PSB on the turn when it hits? That almsot seems more like a hand trying to protect against somebody with a single diamond. Without a read its crazy to try a bluff like this, so after only 10 hands you really shouldnt be making moves like this.
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the nutz
Old 06-26-2006, 10:17 PM #3 (permalink)  

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Yeah, the stack sizes are all screwed up.

I haven't been playing for all that long, and I'm finding I'm having to work harder than most to develop good instincts. Thanks for the constructive criticism.
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Old 06-26-2006, 10:38 PM #4 (permalink)  
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Yeah, the stack sizes are all screwed up.

I haven't been playing for all that long, and I'm finding I'm having to work harder than most to develop good instincts. Thanks for the constructive criticism.
Not really. Good instincts come only from thousands and thousands of hands. At least for me. Its something that grows only after you can make most decisions w/o working too hard. Keep at it.
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Old 06-26-2006, 10:54 PM #5 (permalink)  
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I don't play 6 max and if you're just starting you probably shouldn't either but thats a different matter.

In order to pull a big bluff, you need to have a read on opp, you need to have a strong image and you need to execute the bluff perfectly i.e play it exactly like you would the actual hand.

I think this bluff was poorly executed. I would c/r him on turn(2.5x his bet) and lead the river for 2/3 pot if called. If he chks behind on the turn then give up on the bluff and value bet if you make the straight.

In case you didnt notice you have the OESD on the flop with 16.00 in the pot, make it 9.50 to go. now you're semi-bluffing and giving bad odds to anyone chasing the flush... a better and cheaper option i think.
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Old 06-27-2006, 02:38 AM #6 (permalink)  
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I try not to be the preflop police, but I can't see calling K-rag suited out of position for 5bb to ever be a +EV situation no matter how good you are at playing after the flop.
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