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11-16-2008, 04:06 AM
Post subject: NL50 TPTK against unknown
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If I knew this guy was a set miner, I could find a fold here
If I knew this guy was a tard, I could shove here
but he was completely new to the table so I don't know wtf to do
Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (8 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
SB ($50.25)
UTG ($50)
Hero (UTG+1) ($50.75)
MP2 ($59.60)
CO ($76.50)
Button ($77.30)
Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with K , A
Hero raises to $1.75, 3 folds, SB calls $1.50, 1 fold
Flop: ($4) 7, 10, A (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $4, SB raises to $12.75, Hero?
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a500lbgorilla
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JESUS TAKE THE KEYBOARD
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call
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Smithers, use the amnesia ray.
You mean the revolver, sir?
Precisely.
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Keilah
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Full House
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on the weekend: call and keep calling
daytime weekdays: fold
other: call flop and fold to more aggression
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kmind
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Call
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poker_pup
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I'd fold.
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bode
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its 6 handed vs a complete unknown with TPTK, a backdoor flush draw & backdoor straight draw, im shoving this pretty quick.
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eeevees are not monies yet...they are like baby monies.
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gametight
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Originally Posted by bode
its 6 handed vs a complete unknown with TPTK, a backdoor flush draw & backdoor straight draw, im calling this pretty quick.
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Keilah
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yah but iopq is new to 50NL so regs can stil be unknowns to him
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a500lbgorilla
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Originally Posted by Keilah
yah but iopq is new to 50NL so regs can stil be unknowns to him
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this scratches at the absolutely true answer but iopq can't know nor base his decisions off of this. So you should try to help him find the relatively correct answer!
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Smithers, use the amnesia ray.
You mean the revolver, sir?
Precisely.
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Parasurama
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Hi iopq, I've been playing 100 NL on FullTilt for a few months and this is one of the spots that used to give me trouble. I find that it's best to play conservatively and just call.
If he has a weaker ace he'll most likely slow down on the turn, because he'd expect a worse hand to have folded. If he has a set or two pair, a flush card on the turn can provide a good semi-bluff/bluff opportunity. If there isn't a scare card, he'll bet again and you can fold safely. Full Tilt players at these stakes are generally not good (or bad depending on your point of view) enough to bluff you like this. They are usually pretty tight and a check raise means a lot of strength (but not necessarily stronger than your AK). So, since he's an unknown I suggest that you call and proceed based on his turn action.
Also, though I don't think it's necessary to think this deeply at this level, there is the possibility that he has the same hand as you. I would be very surprised if a lot of 50 NL players on FT 3bet AK from the blinds. You might be able to get him to fold AK later in the hand but probably not on this flop.
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bigspenda73
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secksy bet pot button, you have a mind of your own or just do whatever Full Tilt tells you to do?
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I bet pot because I expect the flush draw to call almost any size so I'll be getting more value
Also, I'm getting more value out of an ace
I also expect people to fold other crap anyway because of the ace
if this was a rainbow flop I'd bet 9/10 pot and hope for an ace to call
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a500lbgorilla
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Originally Posted by iopq
I bet pot because I expect the flush draw to call almost any size so I'll be getting more value
Also, I'm getting more value out of an ace
I also expect people to fold other crap anyway because of the ace
if this was a rainbow flop I'd bet 9/10 pot and hope for an ace to call
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so what do you do in hands where it's not obvious that worse hands can call?
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Smithers, use the amnesia ray.
You mean the revolver, sir?
Precisely.
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nutsinho
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iopq- are you trying to move up in the poker world or just play microstakes? this is relevant because you seem to not be thinking about Shania much when you play which is fine here but you seem like a guy who would like to be playing midstakes at some point.
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My bankroll is the amount of money I would spend or lose before I got a job. It is calculated by adding my net worth to whatever I can borrow.
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spoonitnow
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iopq- are you trying to move up in the poker world or just play microstakes? this is relevant because you seem to not be thinking about Shania much when you play which is fine here but you seem like a guy who would like to be playing midstakes at some point.
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I think iopq is more of a Garth guy if you get my drift.
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Originally Posted by Ripptyde
I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.
Rule # 1: don't ask questions
Rule # 2: don't ask questions
I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
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Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla
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Originally Posted by iopq
I bet pot because I expect the flush draw to call almost any size so I'll be getting more value
Also, I'm getting more value out of an ace
I also expect people to fold other crap anyway because of the ace
if this was a rainbow flop I'd bet 9/10 pot and hope for an ace to call
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so what do you do in hands where it's not obvious that worse hands can call? |
bet 3/4 pot because that's my standard cbet so I'm balancing my 3/4 pot range
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BankItDrew
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WA/WB
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Girlfriend: Why are the werewolves more important than living life?!
Girlfriend: Are you on the forums doing the werewolves again?
Girlfriend: Soo... you forgot to run that errand, but you had time to werewolf? Wtf?
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bigspenda73
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Originally Posted by BankItDrew
WA/WB
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NO
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BankItDrew
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Originally Posted by bigspenda73
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Originally Posted by BankItDrew
WA/WB
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YES
call
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Girlfriend: Why are the werewolves more important than living life?!
Girlfriend: Are you on the forums doing the werewolves again?
Girlfriend: Soo... you forgot to run that errand, but you had time to werewolf? Wtf?
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bigspenda73
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Straight Flush
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NO
what's your def. of wa/wb, having 15% equity when behind and 60% equity when ahead?
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BankItDrew
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most of the time we are either up against:
set/2 pair
air/weak ace
rarely ace high flush draw >>> only reason to be raising
If you combine the last two, I think the possibilities would add up to no greater than 50%
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Girlfriend: Why are the werewolves more important than living life?!
Girlfriend: Are you on the forums doing the werewolves again?
Girlfriend: Soo... you forgot to run that errand, but you had time to werewolf? Wtf?
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